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IN DEFENSE OF TRENT LOTT: Seriously!
Shawn Mercer

Posted on 12/11/2002 8:17:36 PM PST by winin2000

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To: xm177e2
Helms is already leaving. You remember the Libby Dole-Erskine Bowles race?

How about focusing on an immediate removal of Robert "KKK" Byrd from the Presidential line of succession (I bet you didn't know that, as Senate President Pro Tempore, he's President if President Bush, VP Cheney and Speaker Hastert are all killed).

81 posted on 12/12/2002 5:02:46 AM PST by steveegg
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82 posted on 12/12/2002 5:10:37 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: SerpentDove
Reagan said racial discrimination is ok? I doubt it.

Doubt it all you wish. I didn't say Reagan made some pronouncement to that effect personally (though he probably did at some point) but it's unarguable that his Justice Department assisted the pro-Bob Jones side in that case.

This was considered a little daring nineteen years ago, but it hadn't yet become the capital offense it is today.

I again return to my question: How pure on this subject would you like to be? Apply modern racial hysteria retroactively and American history will have one long rogue's gallery and no heroes.

83 posted on 12/12/2002 6:18:36 AM PST by winin2000
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To: Poohbah
"Well, it doesn't look like Lott's significantly changed from 1981 to the present."

This transcends the Lott issue -- there is the much bigger picture...

You can't allow legitimacy to the Democratic snipers for nailing the occassional Pubby with his pants down while they conveniently ignore their own orgies of ethics malfeasance and offensive quotes. We have Robert Byrd, Hillary Clinton, Maxine Waters, Willie Brown, Democrats ad infinitum.Capece??

It is we who ought to be pointing out their silly double standard and hypocracy over and over -- we only have a million and one examples thus far....NOW IS THE TIME.

84 posted on 12/12/2002 8:28:11 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
One more time, because it obviously has not penetrated that hunk of granite that resides where the rest of us have brains:

That approach is the "everyone else does it" approach. It only works for Democrats, because the lapdog press will only present those arguments in a favorable light when Democrats make them on behalf of other Democrats.

When Republicans try it, it does not work. The arguments we present will not be presented as we wish; they will instead be presented as the product of a bunch of whiny, spoiled brats, and we will do more damage to our cause.

Yes, the rules are different. Life ain't fair, get over it.

This needs to be resolved quickly and ruthlessly. It's gone on about four days too long already.

85 posted on 12/12/2002 8:33:36 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
Yes, the rules are different. Life ain't fair, get over it.

I didn't present this post in the vein of the Clintonoids' "everybody does it" schtick when the subject was crimes and arguable treason rather than an unsavory opinion ingrained in American culture that we only recently outgrew.

My only concern here is a sense of proportion, reason, and justice. I am not going to sic the thought police on someone who's been perfectly inoccuous on matters of equality under the law.

I've been here quite a few years, and if you've read enough of my posts, you know I give wide latitude to the Republicans on questions of needed compromise to ensure political success. But press be damned, I'm not budging on this one.

86 posted on 12/12/2002 9:23:24 AM PST by winin2000
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To: Poohbah
Yes, the rules are different. Life ain't fair, get over it.

I didn't present this post in the vein of the Clintonoids' "everybody does it" schtick when the subject was crimes and arguable treason rather than an unsavory opinion ingrained in American culture that we only recently outgrew.

My only concern here is a sense of proportion, reason, and justice. I am not going to sic the thought police on someone who's been perfectly inoccuous on matters of equality under the law.

I've been here quite a few years, and if you've read enough of my posts, you know I give wide latitude to the Republicans on questions of needed compromise to ensure political success. But press be damned, I'm not budging on this one.

87 posted on 12/12/2002 9:28:02 AM PST by winin2000
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To: winin2000
OK, I think I understand your point. You've supported Lott's accomodationist leanings, and you wish to see that continued and expanded.

Thank you for clarifying your stance. It's nice to know who your friends are...

...and aren't.

88 posted on 12/12/2002 9:28:37 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: SerpentDove
"I am not Senate Majority leader... Plus, what I say or do is not really an issue, because it cannot be used to bludgeon the Replublican Party with over and over, as Lott's statements undoubtedly will."

Stop being a patsy for the hypocrites of the Democratic Party...

Laugh at them. Ridicule them for their ethical double standards. Hold up quotes from Hillary Clinton, Robert Byrd, Willie Brown, Maxine Waters, Donna Brazile, etal.

I'd feel sorry for these sombitches if we ever truly put them on the defensive. They'd back off like the French Army asked to defend Paris.

89 posted on 12/12/2002 10:20:02 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Poohbah
and you wish to see that continued and expanded.

How in hell did you cull that idea from what I just posted?!

The "accomodationists" of the moment are those who agree with you! The easiest choice in the world would be to roll up into a fetal position and lead Lott to the slaughter in the (false) hopes that those mean, nasty Democrats stop saying bad things about us.

I'm the one willing to take the heat here. You aren't!

90 posted on 12/12/2002 10:20:29 AM PST by winin2000
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To: winin2000
The "accomodationists" of the moment are those who agree with you!

Hypothesis contrary to fact.

I'm the one willing to take the heat here. You aren't!

Because I do not see the strategic gain from doing so, but you do, because a neutered and impotent Republican majority leader continues and expands the accomodationist stance you admitted was to your liking.

91 posted on 12/12/2002 10:23:44 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
"One more time, because it obviously has not penetrated that hunk of granite that resides where the rest of us have brains:

When Republicans try it, it does not work. The arguments we present will not be presented as we wish...This needs to be resolved quickly and ruthlessly. It's gone on about four days too long already."

I can only be thankful I'm not sharing a foxhole with you. Are you sure you're not a Frenchman??

92 posted on 12/12/2002 10:25:16 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
You're damn right you should be glad I'm not in a foxhole with you.

My solution for dealing with the exceptionally foolish in combat might be viewed as being overly ruthless...but it does prevent repeat incidents.

Lott blew it. Now we have to clean up his mess. Sorry if it interrupts your desire to wallow in it for a couple of years.

93 posted on 12/12/2002 10:29:52 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
"Lott blew it. Now we have to clean up his mess. Sorry if it interrupts your desire to wallow in it for a couple of years."

Mess"?? You must call 911 for a hangnail.

94 posted on 12/12/2002 10:35:40 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
Nope.

But Lott made a mess. And Bush just called him on it, too.

He done ticked Dubya off one time too many. Turning up at his ranch with the feather in his cowboy hat made Lott a marked man.
95 posted on 12/12/2002 10:37:29 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: winin2000
Nice presentation. It certainly does put things in perspective.
96 posted on 12/13/2002 9:00:16 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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