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Bush Backs Voluntary Smallpox Vaccine; offered to the general public in 2004
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Posted on 12/11/2002 4:07:58 PM PST by RCW2001

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To: RCW2001
So long as it is there, when needed.
63 posted on 12/12/2002 7:03:32 AM PST by Bogie
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To: Miss Marple
Bravo to you Marple. My brother had Polio and it was a terrible experience. Vaccine would have prevented it, in my opinon.

64 posted on 12/12/2002 7:36:05 AM PST by judicial meanz
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To: Miss Marple
Bravo to you Marple. My brother had Polio and it was a terrible experience. Vaccine would have prevented it, in my opinon.

65 posted on 12/12/2002 7:36:06 AM PST by judicial meanz
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To: patriot5186
Apparently, it's not like the other vaccines you took as a kid...a much higher discomfort/sickness rate that the public

...or it just could be back then moms just said your not going to die, get over it, now go out and play.

66 posted on 12/12/2002 7:49:42 AM PST by Diana Rose
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To: Darklon
Why not ask hospitals to give out vaccinations?

Did you read the article? The vaccinations are going to be VOLUNTARY. And they're not going to be administered by soldiers knocking on people's doors, they're going to be administered at hosipitals and clinics.

Take a deep breath, and relax.

67 posted on 12/12/2002 8:00:32 AM PST by jpl
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To: ModelBreaker
Is this article a parody or is the guy serious?

It's a factual history of the smallpox vaccine, and Dr. Hadwen was a highly respected physician and surgeon in his day, which was the late 1800's. The address was given on January 25th, 1896, during the Gloucester smallpox epidemic..

68 posted on 12/12/2002 8:00:49 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: ModelBreaker
Dr Andrew Weil. The great Dr. Weil.

And what does he have to do with the material that I posted?

69 posted on 12/12/2002 8:02:53 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
Have you seen the ridiculous graphs provided by various pro-vaccination groups that show a drop in disease from the point where a vaccine is introduced, but ignore the data from past decades that show that the disease was ALREADY in decline as is readily apparent in the graphs that I've provided?

The graphs you posted shows a decline in deaths, not a decline in the incidence of disease. Obviously other factors than vaccines contributed to the decline in the mortality rate of those infected: better hygiene, better nutrition, better medical care etc.

70 posted on 12/12/2002 8:13:05 AM PST by malakhi
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To: FormerLurker; Miss Marple; bonesmccoy
Now we can show that conclusively that these vaccines don't work..... I guess it's good to know that Drs. Salk, Sabin and many others that have developed and worked with these vaccines including all the other doctors around the world, CDC, Governments, etc are just a bunch of quacks and rip off artist... No thank you. I don't buy that and you can't prove it conclusively.

Again I'd asked why not allow the people to have a choice if it can't be proven conclusively? Like it or not it's still a few choice?
71 posted on 12/12/2002 8:22:24 AM PST by deport
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To: deport
I guess it's good to know that Drs. Salk, Sabin and many others that have developed and worked with these vaccines including all the other doctors around the world

Did you even bother reading my post? It IS Drs. Salk, Sabin and many others that have developed and worked with these vaccines that say they don't work as intended. Let me refresh your memory..


 

DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS CONDEMN VACCINATION

"There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunisation of children does more harm than good."
Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control Officer, US Food
and Drug Administration

"The greatest threat of childhood disease lies in the dangerous and
ineffectual efforts made to prevent them through mass immunisation."

Dr R. Mendelsohn, Author and Professor of Paediatrics

"In our opinion, there is now sufficient evidence of immune malfunction following current vaccination programmes to anticipate growing public demands for research investigation into alternative methods of prevention of infectious disease."
Dr's H. Buttram and J. Hoffman, Vaccinations and Immune Malfunctions

"All vaccination has the effect of directing the three values of the blood
into or toward the zone characteristics of cancer and leukemia...Vaccines DO predispose to cancer and leukaemia."

Professor L.C. Vincent, founder of Bioelectronics

"Every vaccine carries certain hazards and can produce inward reactions in some people...in general, there are more vaccine complications than is generally appreciated."
Professor George Dick, London University

"Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection."
Dr A. Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine

"In addition to the many obvious cases of mortality from these practises,
there are also long-term hazards which are almost impossible to estimate
accurately...the inherent danger of of all vaccine procedures should be a
deterrent to their unnecessary or unjustifiable use."

Sir Graham Wilson, The Hazards of Immunisation

"Laying aside the very real possibility that the various vaccines are
contaminated with animal viruses and may cause serious illness later in life (multiple sclerosis, cancer, leukaemia, etc) we must consider whether the vaccines really work for their intended purpose."

Dr W.C. Douglas, Cutting Edge, 1990

"The only wholly safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used"
Dr James A. Shannon, National Institute of Health, USA

With reference to Smallpox;

"Vaccination is a monstrosity, a misbegotten offspring of error and
ignorance, it should have no place in either hygiene or medicine...Believe not in vaccination, it is a world-wide delusion, an unscientific practise, a fatal superstition with consequences measured today by tears and sorrow without end."

Professor Chas Rauta, University of Perguia, Italy , 1899

"Vaccination does not protect, it actually renders its subjects more
susceptible by depressing vital power and diminishing natural resistance, and millions of people have died of smallpox which they contracted after being vaccinated."

Dr J.W. Hodge , The Vaccination Superstition

"It is nonsense to think that you can inject pus - and it is usually from the pustule end of the dead smallpox victim … it is unthinkable that you can inject that into a little child and in any way improve its health. What is true of vaccination is exactly as true of all forms of serum immunisation, if we could by any means build up a natural resistance to disease through these artificial means, I would applaud it to the echo, but we can't do it."
Dr William Howard Hay (1937)

"Immunisation against smallpox is more hazardous than the disease itself."
Professor Ari Zuckerman, World Health Organisation

With reference to Whooping Cough;

"There is no doubt in my mind that in the UK alone some hundreds, if not thousands of well infants have suffered irreparable brain damage needlessly and that their lives and those of their parents have been wrecked in consequence."
Professor Gordon Stewart, University of Glasgow, 1980

"My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the
nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the US each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given to children. The pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine is the most likely villain , but it could also be one or more of the others."

Dr R Mendelsohn, Author and Professor of Paediatrics, 1985

"The worst vaccine of all is the whooping cough vaccine...it is responsible for a lot of deaths and for a lot of infants suffering irreversible brain damage.."
Dr Archie Kalokerinos, Author and Vaccine Researcher, 1987

With reference to Polio;

"Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin polio vaccine, being made of monkey kidney tissue has been directly responsible for the major increase in leukaemia in this country."
Dr F. Klenner, Polio Researcher, USA

"No batch of vaccine can be proved to be safe before it is given to
children"

Surgeon General Leonard Scheele, USA, 1955

"Live virus vaccines against influenza and paralytic polio, for example, may in each instance cause the disease it is intended to prevent..."
Dr Jonas Salk, developer of first polio vaccine, Science, 1977

 

72 posted on 12/12/2002 8:31:25 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: deport
Again I'd asked why not allow the people to have a choice if it can't be proven conclusively? Like it or not it's still a few choice?

By all means, you are free to do what you wish. I'm not trying to prevent you or anyone else from getting the vaccine, just trying to provide information so that people can make informed decisions..

73 posted on 12/12/2002 8:34:04 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
You cited him as an authority in one of your quotes. I was suggesting that he is less than authoritative.
74 posted on 12/12/2002 8:36:12 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: angelo
The graphs you posted shows a decline in deaths, not a decline in the incidence of disease.

That's true, and I WOULD like to see data on incidence of disease, but I can't readily find anything close to thorough and unbiased information on that..

75 posted on 12/12/2002 8:36:41 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: ModelBreaker
You cited him as an authority in one of your quotes.

Could you provide me with a post number on that, as I don't recall ever seeing his name in any of the links or cites.

76 posted on 12/12/2002 8:42:39 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: ModelBreaker
re: Dr. Andrew Weil

I've just found the quote from the GRAPHICAL EVIDENCE SHOWS VACCINES DIDN'T SAVE US, and yes, he is quoted by the author of the book Vaccination The "Hidden" Facts, by Ian Sinclair.

Sorry I didn't remember his name. However, as I've already demonstrated, it isn't only Dr. Weil saying that improved sanitation has been a major factor in the decline of disease...

77 posted on 12/12/2002 9:01:57 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: Abar
Not only that, these third-world invaders are re-introducing epidemics of TB in this country, and Lord knows what else. Thanks, Jorge.
78 posted on 12/12/2002 9:08:46 AM PST by hot august night
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To: RCW2001
What billion dollar pharmaceutical company is paid to supply the vaccine "free of charge?"
79 posted on 12/12/2002 9:22:11 AM PST by lilylangtree
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To: deport
Some more interesting information on the smallpox vaccine..

From Smallpox:

Writing in the British Medical Journal (21/1/1928 p116) Dr L Parry questions the vaccination statistics which revealed a higher death rate amongst the vaccinated than the unvaccinated and asks:

"How is it that smallpox is five times as likely to be fatal in the vaccinated as in the unvaccinated?

"How is it that in some of our best vaccinated towns - for example, Bombay and Calcutta - smallpox is rife, whilst in some of our worst vaccinated towns, such as Leicester, it is almost unknown?

"How is it that something like 80 per cent of the cases admitted Into the Metropolitan Asylums Board smallpox hospitals have been vaccinated, whilst only 20 per cent have not been vaccinated?

"How is it that in Germany, the best vaccinated country in the world, there are more deaths in proportion to the population than In England - for example, in 1919, 28 deaths in England, 707 In Germany; In 1920, 30 deaths In England, 354 In Germany In Germany In 1919 There were 5,012 cases of smallpox with 707 deaths; in England In 1925 There were 5,363 cases of smallpox with 6 deaths. What is the explanation?


80 posted on 12/12/2002 10:47:39 AM PST by FormerLurker
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