Yellowstone is Dying

http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/yellowstone_is_dying.htm ^ | June 1, 2002 | Robert Fanning, Jr.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!!

[Ben Ficklin]

It is significant to note that the USFWS agrees that the calf-cow ratio of the elk is low. While acknowledging the impact of the wolves, they insist that the low ratio is being caused by the drought.

In the Northern Rockies there was initially a willingness to try to co-exist with the introduced wolves. The introduction of the wolves into New Mexico and Arizona was not accepted by the citizens and was opposed by the NM Fish and Game as being detrimental to the elk herds there. Many were shot by individuals unknown, hit by autos, mysteriously died, or just disappeared. In both states the initial stocking had to be supplemented.

I'm not sure of the current situation in AZ, but I think that those in NM have all been recaptured, with the excepton of 2-3 males whose whereabouts are unknown(likely dead). The last female there had a litter that was found to be a wolf/dog hybrid. The pups were disposed and the female kept in captivity. This was in the last 90 days.

[aruanan]

Here is the core:

"He said the goal of wolf introduction was to drive 30,000 ranchers from public lands."

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

Mike Phillips, the movie star handsome, media savvy biologist who introduced the wolf into Yellowstone Park in 1995 spoke to a group of 600 people from 44 states and 24 countries in Duluth, MN. On February 24, 2000. He said the goal of wolf introduction was to drive 30,000 ranchers from public lands.

Guys,Seeing as how this IS the objective of the rabid environmentalists, it will be interesting to see how the Republican controlled government of the U.S. of A. handles this loss of FREEDOM!!! And, that leadership DOES include the junior Bush. Get a Lott out of Congress!!

D, THANKS for the post. Peace and love, George.

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

E-S, Thanks for the bump. Peace and love, George.

[countrydummy]

Thanks for the post! I will get back latter. Yet since it is supposed to be PUBLIC land, I see your need to post this to all states so we can see what is happening to "our" lands! TX!!!!!!!!!!

[Ditter]

I made my first trip to Yellowstone in 1953 there were no buffalo there then. When were they introduced & why have they been allowed to take over?

[Osprey]

O-Well, I like wolves!

I think we should put our priorties in order.

After we fix the imigration problem and home land security. We can start worry about the over population of wolves in Yellowstone.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

It doesn't matter what hapens in Yellowstone's ecosystem. The whole thing is doomed. Yellowstone is sitting on top of one of the largest "super-volcano" lava domes in Earth's history. It will all be gone in a flash when the thing erupts, taking most of the state of Wyoming with it.

It might take another 1,000 years but it's coming...better be ready.

[ctdonath2]

"Detriment to the environment." What a loaded phrase. What state is the environment in, and why? How long has it been that way? Is this it's natural state, or is the speaker desiring to preserve an artificial state?

The "environment" the author is trying to preserve is hardly what was there just 150 years ago. Is the supposed harm really just the process of restoring an upset balance to its previous form? Hence I compare wildfires: the superfires of the last couple decades are the process of undoing what was actually detrimental to the environment. Are we seeing a similar process with wolves?

No, I don't agree with the author; what I'm questioning is why he gets to define what constitutes "detrimental" (kinda like socialists defining extreme left-wing views as "moderate").

[xsrdx]

Check this thread: Ranchers vs. Wolves

The anti-wolf crowd is arguing largely for property rights, they have legitimate issues with the way the USFWS, and the ESA, prevent them from controlling wolves.

Many would prefer the elimination of wolves, something that to me seems like a large step in the wrong direction.

Tough to find middle ground, but I say if wolves are as successful as the article points out - dubious - let them fend for themselves without ESA protection.

A short wolf season should be fine assuming the population can support it, and would help confine them to remote locations.

Elk, deer and moose are wolf food, so if their populations are shrinking to accomodate the wolf, so be it - they have no more right to exist than wolves.

[Terriergal]

hear hear!

[Terriergal]

She's already blonde isn't she?

[Terriergal]

harpseal said that already. :-)

[Terriergal]

I think both problems can be easily handled at once. There are more than enough willing hunters to tackle the overpopulation of predators.

[Fred Mertz]

Very enlightening thread. Bump!

[Johnny Shear]

I am pretty new to posting articles, so maybe you can tell me why the moderator erased all the states except for Wyoming from the topic list?

Harpies who can't seem to grasp the concept of simply not clicking on an article that doesn't specifically interest them. They would rather spend their time alerting Admin Moderator.

Thanks for the article, it's an interesting read. And I'm from Indiana.

[Delphinium]

I made my first trip to Yellowstone in 1953 there were no buffalo there then. When were they introduced & why have they been allowed to take over?

I went there several times in the fiftys and I remember buffalo. I think I even have pictures from then. I could be wrong about where we used to see them. I know we saw lots of elk, and moose. Last time I visited the park it was burning.

[ctdonath2]

Good - someone's got the right idea.

The issue is getting too polarized. There is a balance in the middle: don't eliminate wolves, but don't protect them to the Nth degree either.

The impact of the restored wolf population upon the existing environment is the result of the total elimination of the predator for so long. Cull the population as needed to maintain a balance, but don't wipe 'em out again. Yellowstone isn't dying; undoing human over-meddling may be painful, but it won't kill the environment.

[Delphinium]

Must be a reason the moderater thought it was only of Wyomings interest. The writer is from Montana,writing about Montana, and the poster is from Idaho?? This is one of the reasons there are so many brainwashed wolf romanticizers out there. I thought I posted to him, but got no answer? Like I said before, watch only Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana try to have imput into what happens there and there will be outcries from people all over the country.