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Evolution Disclaimer Supported
The Advocate (Baton Rouge) ^
| 12/11/02
| WILL SENTELL
Posted on 12/11/2002 6:28:08 AM PST by A2J
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To: All
Concerning intelligent design:
Watched a documentary last year...the info not really breaking news..but considering the crowd it came by....yes!
Top shelf researchers....not Christians.
The program explored their collective knowledge about DNA and cell activation.
first..they discovered and shared the reality..that our DNA should have degraded via its exposure to a multitude of factors..such as the varied radiations that bombard this planet.
Its not the DNA as a whole that breaksdown..but the components within the DNA structure that mutate from radiations.
they discovered a unit..which transits the DNA like a monorail train...correcting the DNA's imperfection...it does this like a computer program.....re-writting out faulty code.
so a self correcting mechanism exists..so perfect...the science community can only stare at it wonder...like a child.
next linkage is in the "Firing order" of our DNA...the on ..off activity between cells...in the development stage in the womb.
sequential...and perfect.
like a computer software program.
yes..there are mutations...but only due to externals..some carried via gene..or by input from radiations to chemical.
it seems that Chimpanze's are wired to speak..have the same make-up as us to speak..except the "Programming" forbids it...it never happens..because the Chimp's encoded DNA never sends the commands.
turns out..this 'Software programming' is being discovered in many species of life...the reason things stay as they are..is the programming.
here..the science community marvels..and comments..it looks like intelligent design..and they are not afraid to say so.
*** The ancient Kabbalistic view of the Hebrews is one of intelligent design....the model is..we are given all to look into..but we only grasp understanding in stages..as we are in effect..."Enlightened to do so"...
we are being permitted to look into these wonders...it could be viewed..that we are granted so..and have developed to a degree to be trusted with it.
Outside of intelligent design...then we as humans are in a race...a race to not be expunged from the history record.
just a few years ago...21 fragments from Shoemaker Levy 9 spiraled in on gravametrics and wolloped Jupiter.
had a few of them spiraled in on the earth..we would not be having this conversation.
life forms on this world have been terminated in the past..due to external realities.
unless we can go off world and survive out there..we might just go bye bye as a life form.
maybe the program is rocketing about the universe in these comets...and takes when the environment sustains the DNA locked within.
this too could be faulty thinking....as nothing new has really appeared record wise out of the blue in a long series of time here.
human consciuosness is another debate.....might be the hardest debate of all..as no one has really gone to the other side..and returned with proof of anything.
all our hopes and dreams are burried in faith....we conclude we exist..and matter..somehow..all of this going on around us.
....is for our benefit.
To: Fester Chugabrew; PatrickHenry
C'mon, Gore. Out with it. HOW OLD IS THE EARTH? We have a forefather about to piss his pants.I have several reasons for not doing so - and you just gave me another one!
First of all, the whole intent of the question is to both distract from discussion of evolution and to start an attack on religion. I see no reason to indulge him in that.
Second of all, the question is irrelevant to the discussion and certainly to all my posts. In general I use the assumptions of evolution to show its contradictions and how even under its own assumptions it does not work. I cannot waste my time on irrelevant discussions.
Thirdly, his insistence, post after post about it shows him to be a thug, so he is discrediting himself, not me when he makes this statement. Further, because his minions go along with him and make the same statements, it shows everyone who the hyenas of evolution are and how they run in packs like all thugs.
However, the most important reason for my not answering is that it gives me a legitimate reason to repost the questions which the evolutionists have been avoiding for some 900 posts on this thread which show evolution to be totally false. If he was not so arrogant, he would see he is only harming his side by this, but then I have never accused him or any evolutionist of being a mental giant.
To: Light Speed
a self correcting mechanism exists..so perfect...the science community can only stare at it wonder...like a child. I suspect that the practicing scientists wo post on these threads often find themselves staring in wonder.
But there is a difference between open and gaping.
To: js1138
gAping...trolls---evolution!
To: Doctor Stochastic
If you wish to introduce new terms, you should define them.
Null is hardly a new term. I see the
dictionary.com defines it as zero. This is incorrect. Null is the same as doesn't exist. This is what everything consisted of before anything ever was, so you can argue till the cows come home how the total force of the universe nears zero, but thats not the issue at hand.
To: gore3000
First of all, the whole intent of the question is to both distract from discussion of evolution and to start an attack on religion...So it comes down to whether the thread is an attack on religion or an attack on evolution.
Perhaps it could be a discussion rather than an attack if we all put our cards on the table. There is little point in trying to hide from the fact that design really means created by God. Any other designer would first have to have been created by God. So the discussion cannot escape being about religion.
To: Physicist
This might help. Please think your way through it. I've posted this a number of times to other threads
Maybe you shouldn't post that piece anymore to that question then, its totally irrelevant. Its doesn't anwser the question, only explains why we should never "ask" the question because *humans* do not have an answer for it.
I really don't think you can comprehend there are things out there that make perfect since, but to the human mind it is a null concept. Think about that last statement. No. sshh. Just think for a minute. The things we could tell an ant. Would that ant ever believe us ? Why must we humans be so arrogant to think things that we can't comprehend, that the issue is non expainable ,period?
To: js1138
There is little point in trying to hide from the fact that design really means created by God. Any other designer would first have to have been created by God. Why is that?
To: f.Christian; js1138
Near my home here in Alberta Canada is an area known as the badlands..a great place to play if one is into Dinosaurs.
am not an expert in the field..but study and try to keep up with things learned.
Skeletal remains....incomplete in most cases...scientists get to fill in the gaps ...no railing accusation on their opinions on final..if there is really any ..any final concerning dino's.
so yes..the evolution crowd likes this realm..but even here...things are falling apart...design sequencing appearing..then disappearing over time.
there is a little creature known as "Staurikosaurus"..from Brazil...the late Triassic period.
this little guy..well about 6' is very much like a Velociraptor.....very much.
having forward eye orbits...nasal designation...claws...a hip structure to run....a tail for balance....this thing was a predator way ahead of the so called evolutionary scale...then it dissapeared...only to turn up later in time...vast periods of time later.
it had long front arms..with bone structure arm and leg for diverse flexion..and balance.
in time...the predator dino's arms went short in the front..the body weight went massive...then in time..the Velociraptors appeared in the history record.
so..the laws of uniformity and evolution have been hurled into the trash bin on this one.
In the Triassic...Staurikosaurus was a Porshe boxster....nothing better as predators went for refinement.
at least..as best as our bone hunting as yeilded.
To: titanmike
Why is that? Why is what?
To: PatrickHenry
HOW OLD IS THE EARTH? Ahh - unanswered questions. They really spice up the discussion. How about: SHOW ME AN EXAMPLE OF A MUTATION THAT ADDS GENETIC INFORMATION or how about WHERE DID ALL THE SEDIMENT FROM THE GRAND CANYON GO? or even WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF POLYSTRATE FOSSILS?
The simple fact of the matter is that even if the Earth were 50 billion years old, abiogenesis cannot, does not and will not ever happen.
To: Light Speed
but even here...things are falling apart...design sequencing appearing..then disappearing over time. Let me guess. The people finding these fossils, analyzing them and reporting on their apparent age are:
a. mainstream scientists
b. creation scientists
To: usastandsunited
Its doesn't anwser the question, only explains why we should never "ask" the question because *humans* do not have an answer for it. Well, I guess I can't make you read it.
To: gore3000
We cannot even tell where the center of the Universe is,...It's all center, no guards, ends, forwards, or tackles.
To: gore3000
You continue to lie about my posts. I have never denied the existance of gravity. You do realize that your continual lying about this point reduces your credibility on other matters.
To: js1138
Why is it just God who might have ever created living things? Why would God want to create lamprays, chiggers, biting flies, or mosquitos? The creatures of Pandora's box appear to have been designed and built by somebody else.
To: usastandsunited
I said nothing about force. I said the total energy (that includes masses, fields, etc.) is zero. You originally asked where "all that energy" came from. There isn't "all that energy" there. There's only a total of zero.
To: js1138
Creation Scientists.....thats not easy waters to navigate.
The majority CR crowd would stone me dead....especially when I wollup them with their insane 6 day theology...which is not Hebrew..but re-dactal from Church age/post Gnostic cause /effect land.
How they can hack and cut like some hollywood film room ...hack the Hebrew root word meaning out..and come up with this stuff is anyones guess...but its too late now...***See Vatican-2***..or is it 3 now?
The ancient Hebrew thought..and yes..you better get a hold of the right Kabbalistic foundation..cuz there's lots of B.S...wallmart versions too..does not say that man was created from dirt ..scooped up and put together like some passing notion by a bored and frustrated entity who was lonely.
it starts with man being in existence...then Adam..what sets Adam apart..and the beginning of the ride..is Adam has "Enlightened awareness"...he is above the rest..having an awareness of consciousness..and eternity.
Yom..the Hebrew word for day has many reflectives...scooped up by the Church re-dactal crowd..it becomes 6 -days...or 6000 yrs...
Yom does not say that in Bereshiet[Genesis]...but pictures intellignet design..with continuance.
morning and evening in the Hebrew do not mean time span alligned to a 24 hr period..but are reflective..alligned to Hebrew thinking of .."Starting..and completion"...the Hebrew starts in the evening...in the darkness...what appears...appears in light..as per the reflective of intellegence...ie..you can see where you are going..you can discern better in the day.
the Chrisitian world would be rocked if they learned that most of their ideology is un alligned to the Hebrew...corrupted...kinda like Islams version.
To: Doctor Stochastic
...your continual lying about this point reduces your credibility on other matters.This compiler does not support negative zero.
Illegal operation attempted on null value.
To: titanmike
Whatever happened to All Creatures Great and Small?
Besides, you seem to be implying the existence of a creator co-equal with God, that is, something not created by God.
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