[Mr. Lucky]

This article makes no effort to establish any cause and effect. Everything bad which has occurred subsequent to Vatican II must be the result of Vatican II; by the same logic, wouldn't everything good also be the result of Vatican II? Golly, prior to Vatican II, the Church was illegal in half of Eurpoe; now east Europe is free, ergo Vatican II is responsible for the fall of Communism.

[ninenot]

I have argued before that the "post-hoc/propter-hoc" argument seemingly made by PJB is fallacious, and it is.

HOWEVER, PJB is using V.II as a time-demarcation (as do many critics of the new Mass, for example.) It's shorthand, convenient rhetoric.

As you and I (and PJB) well know, it was not the Council which caused these problems--it was partly the IMPLEMENTATION (flawed in many serious ways) and partly the influence of American relativism/materialism.