[Zviadist]

There is no connection between the cause and the effects. I could just as easily blame all of the statistics that were mentioned on the rise of feminism or Johnson's Great Society.

Here's a clue: the following did not happen before Vatican II. You cannot blame this on Johnson's Great Society, changing weather patterns, or the decline of country music:

Cazimer Wikiera, left, of Rome seeks permission from the Rev. Fred Daley to videotape a special holiday Mass Sunday for the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered communities at St. Francis DeSales Church in Utica. Daley denied him permission, citing privacy concerns.

[Jim Noble]

All of the Boston hyper-multiple offenders were ordained before Vatican II. Therefore, they were formed in the Church of the 1930s and 1940s, which many hold out as a golden age.

These sick freaks clearly have used the "spirit of Vatican II" to recruit a generation of gay religious, and to try (and they are still trying) to normalize homosexuality.

But it is an oversimplification to say that Shanley,Goeghan, and Birmingham were "caused" by Vatican II, when they clearly were not.

I suspect that there is still more to learn about the corruption of the Archdiocese of Boston, and I strongly suspect that that antedates Vatican II, as well.

[kidd]

Nor was homosexuality out in the open before Vatican II.

We are finding out from adults that they were molested as children in the 60's and 70's. Molested by priests that were ordained BEFORE Vatican II.

All your picture proves is that homosexuality has gained acceptance in the public and that a few weak priests have bought into the public acceptance crap.

You will be hard pressed to explain that picture on Vatican II.