To: ninenot
The premise of this article is off base. Vatican II didn't cause all this stuff. The orders and other clergy adopting the socialist "social justice" norms, and teaching it when there was and is clear evidence that socialism is NOT fair and does not promote honest work-related justice did as much damage.
And all those ideas and concepts were in the wind long before Vatican II.
As I learn more about it, Vatican II was a convenient excuse to introduce more humanly justified behaviors into God's house. There were people out there itching to do it too. It's not easy being Catholic. In the US, as a Russian friend of mine put it, making things easy is the American Way. I never thought of it in that way before, but when you think about it, she has a point and that mentality did worm its way into religious thinking.
To: Desdemona
clear evidence that socialism is NOT fair and does not promote honest work-related justice...
A little foundation for your thought:
"...Socialism...cannot be reconciled with the teachings
of the Catholic Church because its concept of society itself
is utterly foreign to Christian truth."
QUADRAGESIMO ANNO, 117, Encyclical of Pope Pius XI
Reconstruction of the Social Order, May 15, 1931
"...no Catholic [can] subscribe even to moderate Socialism."
MATER ET MAGISTRA, 34, Pope John XXIII
On Christianity and Social Progress, May 15, 1961
"Socialists...debase the natural union of man and woman...
the [family] bond they...deliver up to lust. Lured...by the
greed of present goods...they assail the right of property.
While they seem desirous of caring for the needs and satisfying
the desires of all men, they strive to seize and hold in common
whatever has been acquired either by title, by labor, or by
thrift."
QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS, 1, Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII
On Socialism, December 28, 1878
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