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To: Sangamon Kid
I said Civilized Culture. Any culture that embraced homosexuality and sodomy was not civilized.

The early Romans did engage in Homosexuality, they were not civilized.

You are probably aware that later on the Roman Empire banned sodomy and made it a capital crime, The Corpus Juris Civilis is the sixth-century encyclopedic collection of Roman laws made under the sponsorship of Emperor Justinian. "It is Justinian's collection which served as the basis of canon law (the law of the Christian Church) and civil law (both European and English)."

The following is a statement in Law French from Corpus Juris: "'Sodomie est crime de majeste vers le Roy Celestre,' and [is] translated in a footnote as 'Sodomy is high treason against the King of Heaven.' At common law 'sodomy' and the phrase 'infamous crime against nature' were often used interchangeably."

97 posted on 12/10/2002 12:44:45 PM PST by FF578
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To: FF578
You are probably aware that later on the Roman Empire banned sodomy and made it a capital crime, The Corpus Juris Civilis is the sixth-century encyclopedic collection of Roman laws...

Yes, after the influence brought to bear upon the Empire by the conquering Constantine, Chrisitianity began to "leaven" Roman society. Wherever the Empire went, the moral influences of Christianity followed, quickly spreading across Western Europe, Russsia, into northeast Africa among other places. Bless God, legal systems were never the same after that.

101 posted on 12/10/2002 12:54:59 PM PST by Sangamon Kid
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To: FF578
I said Civilized Culture. Any culture that embraced homosexuality and sodomy was not civilized.

According to whom? The Chowderhead Society for Historical Review? Romans had written language, voting, roads, advanced architecture, communications throughout their empire, the equivalent of indoor plumbing and codified laws.

And they were, according to your, not civilized. Sure. Ok.

The early Romans did engage in Homosexuality, they were not civilized.

See above.

You are probably aware that later on the Roman Empire banned sodomy and made it a capital crime, The Corpus Juris Civilis is the sixth-century encyclopedic collection of Roman laws made under the sponsorship of Emperor Justinian. "It is Justinian's collection which served as the basis of canon law (the law of the Christian Church) and civil law (both European and English)."

Gee, that sure is swell. And wrong. The history of English Common Law, which had its roots about the same time as Justinian, among Angles, Britons and later Saxons in Britain is not nearly so cut and dried. William the Conqueror arrived in 1066 and combined the best of this Anglo-Saxon law with Norman law, which resulted in the English Common Law, much of which was by custom and precedent rather than by written code.

The following is a statement in Law French from Corpus Juris: "'Sodomie est crime de majeste vers le Roy Celestre,' and [is] translated in a footnote as 'Sodomy is high treason against the King of Heaven.' At common law 'sodomy' and the phrase 'infamous crime against nature' were often used interchangeably."

Now you're quoting the French.

I would submit that willfull, historical pig-ignorance is far worse a crime against the king of heaven, and he's probably not so pleased with you right about now.

105 posted on 12/10/2002 1:02:03 PM PST by Pahuanui
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To: FF578
And what a big success that that later Roman Empire was.

Nothing like wishing for Constantine, who helped accelerate the fall of the Western Empire, or Justinian, whose own wars weakened the Eastern Empire, and was married to a common prostitute (Theodora) who made a stage show of having sex with a swan (in re-enactment of Leda and the swan).

Yeah, great role models and paragons of Christian virtue you cite to.
366 posted on 12/10/2002 6:23:11 PM PST by TheAngryClam
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