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UNNATURAL LAW (Supremes to review sodomy laws) liberal barf-and offensive content alert
NEW YORKER ^ | 12/16/02 issue | Hendrik Hertzberg

Posted on 12/10/2002 11:21:41 AM PST by Liz

Like whist, whilst, and self-abuse, the word sodomy has an old-fashioned ring to it. You don't even see it alluded to much anymore, except in punning tabloid headlines about the situation in Iraq. But it—or its kissin' cousin, the nearly as archaic-sounding "deviate sexual intercourse"—can be found in the criminal codes of thirteen states of the Union, where it is punishable by penalties ranging from a parking-ticket-size fine to (theoretically) ten years in prison.

Even at this late date, many people are vague about just exactly what sodomy is. Montesquieu defined it as "the crime against nature," which is not especially helpful. Blackstone called it "the infamous crime against nature, committed either with man or beast," which gets us a little further, but not much. Back in the U.S.A., the statute books tend to be franker. Some states bring animals into the picture, some don't. The Texas Legislature's definition is nonzoological.

SKIP THIS IF EXPLICIT LANGUAGE OFFENDS. According to Section 21.01 of the Texas Penal Code (readers of delicate sensibilities may at this point wish to skip down a few lines), " 'Deviate sexual intercourse' means: (A) any contact between any part of the genitals of one person and the mouth or anus of another person; or (B) the penetration of the genitals or the anus of another person with an object."

RESUME READING HERE What the Lone Star State does and does not view as some kinda deviated preversion became of national interest last week, when the United States Supreme Court agreed to consider Lawrence v. Texas. The Lawrence of the case is John G. Lawrence, fifty-nine years old, of Houston, who, on the evening of September 17, 1998, was in his apartment with a guest, Tyron Garner, who is thirty-five. Texas got involved when police, having been tipped off by a neighbor that a "weapons disturbance" was in progress, busted down the door. (The tip was a deliberate lie on the part of the neighbor, who was later convicted of filing a false report.)

What the officers found Lawrence and Garner doing is really none of our business, any more than it was any of Texas's; suffice it to say that it was consensual, nonviolent, and noise-free. The two men were arrested, jailed overnight, and eventually fined two hundred dollars each. They appealed, a three-judge panel of a district appeals court reversed their conviction, the full nine-judge appeals court reversed the reversal, and the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals declined to do any more reversing. And so to Washington.

The statute under which Lawrence and Garner were convicted, Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, is officially known as the Homosexual Conduct Law. Ironically, this statute was a product of the progressive mood of the early nineteen-seventies. In most of the states that still criminalize sodomy, it doesn't matter, legally, whether a couple engaging in behavior (A), above, consists of two men, two women, or one of each.

That's how it was in Texas, too, until 1974. In that bell-bottomed year, the Texas Legislature made heterosexual sodomy legal, but it couldn't quite bring itself to do the same for gays. The result is that Texas is now one of only four states (the others being Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma) where it is a crime for gays to please each other in ways that are perfectly legal for straights. The panel that overturned the conviction saw this as discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

The full state court disagreed. Rather, confirming what Anatole France called "the majestic egalitarianism of the law, which forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges," the court pointed out that in Texas homosexuality is illegal for heterosexuals and homosexuals alike. No discrimination there.

According to the Times's Linda Greenhouse, the Supreme Court probably wouldn't have taken the case unless a majority had already decided to "revisit" Bowers v. Hardwick (1986), which upheld the constitutionality of Georgia's sodomy law.

The decision in that case—by a vote of five to four, as with so many of the Court's clunkers—was an embarrassment. Both its language and its reasoning were shockingly coarse. Writing for the majority, Justice Byron White defined "the issue"—leeringly, sarcastically, obtusely, and repeatedly—as "whether the Federal Constitution confers a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy," or protects "a fundamental right to engage in homosexual sodomy," or extends "a fundamental right to homosexuals to engage in acts of consensual sodomy." Any such claim, he added, "is, at best, facetious."

Caricaturing the well-established constitutional right to privacy in this nyah-nyah way is like dismissing the First Amendment as being all about the right to make doo-doo jokes. It was left to the author of the dissenting opinion, Justice Harry Blackmun, to point out, quoting Justice Brandeis, that the case was really "about 'the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men,' namely 'the right to be let alone.' "

Justice Lewis Powell, who tipped the balance in Bowers v. Hardwick, expressed regret years later that he had voted the way he did. He's gone now. John Paul Stevens, who dissented, William Rehnquist, now Chief Justice, and Sandra Day O'Connor are the only holdovers from the Court that upheld Georgia's sodomy law (which, by the way, was thrown out, a few months after Lawrence and Garner were arrested in Houston, by Georgia's supreme court, for violating Georgia's constitution).

Half the states that had sodomy laws when Bowers was decided have got rid of them, and those that still have them seldom enforce them. But when they are enforced the consequences can be more onerous than it may appear. Lawrence and Garner aren't just out four hundred bucks; they may also be banned from certain professions, from nursing to school-bus driving, and are deprived of other privileges denied to persons who have been convicted of "crimes of moral turpitude."

Anyway, sodomy laws are a standing insult to, among others, millions of respectable citizens who happen to be gay. They are an absurd anachronism and an obvious violation of the right to privacy. Whatever they may have represented in Montesquieu's day, or even Byron White's, in 2002 they are nothing but an expression of bigotry. If the Supreme Court takes a truly honest look at Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, it will surely agree with the view of Dickens's Mr. Bumble: this is one case where, at bottom, "the law is a ass."

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To: Txslady
The law of Nature and the fact this particular body part was created to get rid of waste.

I understand your argument, but the same can be said about almost all kinds of oral sex too, no?
401 posted on 12/10/2002 8:00:58 PM PST by BikerNYC
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To: Phantom Lord
The Founders considered blacks to be 3/5ths of a person in the census. Should we return to that standard?

This actually had a positive purpose. They did not want slave states to have increased numbers of representatives based on slave populations. Fewer representatives resulted in less power. That was specifically the reason for the 3/5 rule.

402 posted on 12/10/2002 8:01:38 PM PST by xzins
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To: concerned about politics
Sodomites die. So do their victims. 100% of the time!

Hitler? That you?

403 posted on 12/10/2002 8:01:57 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
What about all the diseases passed through hetero sex? Oh that's ok by you.......

They harm, but they're not as deadly. AIDs kills all who get it. They're toast! They assume room temperature. How come no one seems to be aware of that fact? It wasn't included in the Marx handbook?

404 posted on 12/10/2002 8:11:26 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Bella_Bru
Anyway, you and your bud FF578 have fun trying going from home to home trying to stop couples (he means the married heteros too) from having oral sex.

No fellatio! No Peace!
No fellatio! No Peace!

Hmmm we'll need better slogans...

405 posted on 12/10/2002 8:12:15 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: concerned about politics
AIDs kills all who get it.

Now all you have to do is prove that sex between two heteros has never transferred AIDS.............. Good luck

406 posted on 12/10/2002 8:13:06 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Nope. I just refuse to let hate control my thinking.

What hate? This discussion is about the deadly behavior. The public health hazard. What hate?

407 posted on 12/10/2002 8:13:37 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: DAnconia55
Didn't you know that if you don't hate "fags" you are a commie?
408 posted on 12/10/2002 8:16:35 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: concerned about politics
The hate that allows you to look the other way on the fact that hetero sexual promescuity can get you AIDS as well.
409 posted on 12/10/2002 8:17:20 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: DannyTN
I say protect the innocents from the sodomizers.

I'm not innocent. Can cute chicks still give me a hummer?

410 posted on 12/10/2002 8:17:30 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: Texaggie79
Hitler? That you?

I state a fact, and you call me names. Oh, ouch.
C'mon tex, you can do better than that.
Let me repeat it. Maybe you misunderstood. With AIDs, "Sodomites die. So do their victims. 100% of the time!"
Tell me, how many with AIDs are cured?

411 posted on 12/10/2002 8:18:28 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: FF578
> My Ideal form of Government would be that of the
> Puritans or John Calvin's Geneva.

Where Calvin executed Servetus for heresy? Where witches were burned in Massachusetts?
412 posted on 12/10/2002 8:18:30 PM PST by LPStar
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To: concerned about politics
With AIDs, "Sodomites die. So do their victims. 100% of the time!"

OOOOOOH, so heterosexuals with AIDS don't huh? haha

413 posted on 12/10/2002 8:20:00 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: DannyTN
There should be a tax on homosexuals.

Just curious there Bubba, but should stump trained cows in TN be exempt from the tax? As long as it's a female cow and she's givin' you that look?

414 posted on 12/10/2002 8:21:40 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: Texaggie79
I'm not talking about Speed limits. Those are on PUBLIC PROPERTY. Government has every right to enforce laws on that. I was talking about the USDA and other health orgs that enforce restrictions on private businesses.

You SURE you aren't a small 'l' libertarian???

I'm not exactly fond of some of the big L platforms myself...

415 posted on 12/10/2002 8:24:27 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: BikerNYC
Yes and no actually... body fluid contact is the same...

However... the muscles are very different medically. I know this can get really idiotic – do yourself a favor and just talk to a medical doctor about this issue. If this medical professional – is a professional – he/she should be able to explain the differences to you with pictures if need be.

Look I myself have laughed at some of the post on this subject… This is a serious issue and too many people don’t quite seem to want to know the facts. Or should I say we sometimes act like children do when they ask their parents what sex is all about. *giggle* *giggle*

This is one subject that surprises me every time it is discussed- because adults don’t always want to know or speak the truth about it … I know teenagers that know more then most adults on the subject of contracting HIV… something is wrong with this pictures.
416 posted on 12/10/2002 8:25:27 PM PST by Txslady
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To: Texaggie79
Now all you have to do is prove that sex between two heteros has never transferred AIDS.............. Good luck

They're getting it now. (Wow. Daeja vou! Just like Romans I in the Bible!)
At first, homosexuals brought it to
America. It quickly spread through the homosexual community.
Some were closet homosexuals, and spread it to their innocent partners or the local ladies of the night.
They spread it to others.
Had the homosexuals been quarenteened in the first place, we could have slowed it's spread way down and educated the people about the dangers of homosexual behavior. But Nooooo. People were as blind as bats!
But, the nation was full of people who think as you do, and encouraged them to play (and in turn keep the spreading going). Maybe it was to decrease the population or something. Who knows why you think the way you folks do.

417 posted on 12/10/2002 8:26:37 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
no no no, wait, I get it. Heteros that get AIDS through hetero sex are VICTIMS of gays right? HAHAHAHA
418 posted on 12/10/2002 8:27:11 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: concerned about politics
"Those who have the eyes will see, and those who have ears will hear."

In matters such as these, we all tend to see and hear what we want to see and hear.
419 posted on 12/10/2002 8:27:54 PM PST by BikerNYC
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To: Texaggie79
The government has no right to rob me of my money in order to fund other's medical care in an inefficient manner.

Fess up, you'be been reading Rand..

420 posted on 12/10/2002 8:28:19 PM PST by DAnconia55
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