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UNNATURAL LAW (Supremes to review sodomy laws) liberal barf-and offensive content alert
NEW YORKER ^ | 12/16/02 issue | Hendrik Hertzberg

Posted on 12/10/2002 11:21:41 AM PST by Liz

Like whist, whilst, and self-abuse, the word sodomy has an old-fashioned ring to it. You don't even see it alluded to much anymore, except in punning tabloid headlines about the situation in Iraq. But it—or its kissin' cousin, the nearly as archaic-sounding "deviate sexual intercourse"—can be found in the criminal codes of thirteen states of the Union, where it is punishable by penalties ranging from a parking-ticket-size fine to (theoretically) ten years in prison.

Even at this late date, many people are vague about just exactly what sodomy is. Montesquieu defined it as "the crime against nature," which is not especially helpful. Blackstone called it "the infamous crime against nature, committed either with man or beast," which gets us a little further, but not much. Back in the U.S.A., the statute books tend to be franker. Some states bring animals into the picture, some don't. The Texas Legislature's definition is nonzoological.

SKIP THIS IF EXPLICIT LANGUAGE OFFENDS. According to Section 21.01 of the Texas Penal Code (readers of delicate sensibilities may at this point wish to skip down a few lines), " 'Deviate sexual intercourse' means: (A) any contact between any part of the genitals of one person and the mouth or anus of another person; or (B) the penetration of the genitals or the anus of another person with an object."

RESUME READING HERE What the Lone Star State does and does not view as some kinda deviated preversion became of national interest last week, when the United States Supreme Court agreed to consider Lawrence v. Texas. The Lawrence of the case is John G. Lawrence, fifty-nine years old, of Houston, who, on the evening of September 17, 1998, was in his apartment with a guest, Tyron Garner, who is thirty-five. Texas got involved when police, having been tipped off by a neighbor that a "weapons disturbance" was in progress, busted down the door. (The tip was a deliberate lie on the part of the neighbor, who was later convicted of filing a false report.)

What the officers found Lawrence and Garner doing is really none of our business, any more than it was any of Texas's; suffice it to say that it was consensual, nonviolent, and noise-free. The two men were arrested, jailed overnight, and eventually fined two hundred dollars each. They appealed, a three-judge panel of a district appeals court reversed their conviction, the full nine-judge appeals court reversed the reversal, and the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals declined to do any more reversing. And so to Washington.

The statute under which Lawrence and Garner were convicted, Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, is officially known as the Homosexual Conduct Law. Ironically, this statute was a product of the progressive mood of the early nineteen-seventies. In most of the states that still criminalize sodomy, it doesn't matter, legally, whether a couple engaging in behavior (A), above, consists of two men, two women, or one of each.

That's how it was in Texas, too, until 1974. In that bell-bottomed year, the Texas Legislature made heterosexual sodomy legal, but it couldn't quite bring itself to do the same for gays. The result is that Texas is now one of only four states (the others being Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma) where it is a crime for gays to please each other in ways that are perfectly legal for straights. The panel that overturned the conviction saw this as discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

The full state court disagreed. Rather, confirming what Anatole France called "the majestic egalitarianism of the law, which forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges," the court pointed out that in Texas homosexuality is illegal for heterosexuals and homosexuals alike. No discrimination there.

According to the Times's Linda Greenhouse, the Supreme Court probably wouldn't have taken the case unless a majority had already decided to "revisit" Bowers v. Hardwick (1986), which upheld the constitutionality of Georgia's sodomy law.

The decision in that case—by a vote of five to four, as with so many of the Court's clunkers—was an embarrassment. Both its language and its reasoning were shockingly coarse. Writing for the majority, Justice Byron White defined "the issue"—leeringly, sarcastically, obtusely, and repeatedly—as "whether the Federal Constitution confers a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy," or protects "a fundamental right to engage in homosexual sodomy," or extends "a fundamental right to homosexuals to engage in acts of consensual sodomy." Any such claim, he added, "is, at best, facetious."

Caricaturing the well-established constitutional right to privacy in this nyah-nyah way is like dismissing the First Amendment as being all about the right to make doo-doo jokes. It was left to the author of the dissenting opinion, Justice Harry Blackmun, to point out, quoting Justice Brandeis, that the case was really "about 'the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men,' namely 'the right to be let alone.' "

Justice Lewis Powell, who tipped the balance in Bowers v. Hardwick, expressed regret years later that he had voted the way he did. He's gone now. John Paul Stevens, who dissented, William Rehnquist, now Chief Justice, and Sandra Day O'Connor are the only holdovers from the Court that upheld Georgia's sodomy law (which, by the way, was thrown out, a few months after Lawrence and Garner were arrested in Houston, by Georgia's supreme court, for violating Georgia's constitution).

Half the states that had sodomy laws when Bowers was decided have got rid of them, and those that still have them seldom enforce them. But when they are enforced the consequences can be more onerous than it may appear. Lawrence and Garner aren't just out four hundred bucks; they may also be banned from certain professions, from nursing to school-bus driving, and are deprived of other privileges denied to persons who have been convicted of "crimes of moral turpitude."

Anyway, sodomy laws are a standing insult to, among others, millions of respectable citizens who happen to be gay. They are an absurd anachronism and an obvious violation of the right to privacy. Whatever they may have represented in Montesquieu's day, or even Byron White's, in 2002 they are nothing but an expression of bigotry. If the Supreme Court takes a truly honest look at Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, it will surely agree with the view of Dickens's Mr. Bumble: this is one case where, at bottom, "the law is a ass."

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To: DannyTN
Re Reason #1: So because of the socialist structure that has been put into place, we should be able to limit people's freedoms so that we can save money? Woohoo, O lover of liberty.


Re Reason #2: Ah, so even if your "theory" was correct do you propose that we incriminate activity just because it COULD lead somewhere illegal? So the whole idea of protecting people's rights gets thrown out the window and we instill a new standard of law which incriminates ANYTHING that could be perceived as something that could lead to illegal activity?
321 posted on 12/10/2002 5:01:21 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Liz
It appears that there is a lot of "pick and choose" conservatism here. Pick and choose where the government can intrude on someone's life and where they can't.
322 posted on 12/10/2002 5:06:19 PM PST by DaGman
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To: Bella_Bru
Sorry I dared to disagree with those that think they should be able to control what I do in my sex life. BTW, I am hetero. But I bet you assumed otherwise.

You might as well be a homosexual sodomite.
Birds of a feather flock together.
If you're heterosexual, why should I care what you do with your husband ?

323 posted on 12/10/2002 5:08:05 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
Hey concerned, what are you doing after this thread? Lets get together.
324 posted on 12/10/2002 5:10:01 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: dflan1973
Homosexuality is wrong because it is against God's Word. Period.

Whether you get other consequences, you will find out sooner or later.

Bottom line. The Log Cabin Republicans have their own website.

This is not a "gay-affirming" board.

325 posted on 12/10/2002 5:12:05 PM PST by LO_IQ
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To: concerned about politics
You might as well be a homosexual sodomite.

And why is that? Because when you say a married couple can do what they want in bed, you mean only missionary position, vaginal intercourse? So, I am a homosexual because I have oral sex with someone of the OPPOSITE sex? You need a dictionary. Badly.

326 posted on 12/10/2002 5:12:21 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Bella_Bru
Your husband is lucky to be married to a homosexual straight sex lover like yourself.
327 posted on 12/10/2002 5:19:33 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: DaGman
It appears that there is a lot of "pick and choose" conservatism here. Pick and choose where the government can intrude on someone's life and where they can't.

When it becomes a public heath hazard to society, I feel the government has the right to step in.
Not only are we stuck funding AIDs, millions of taxpayer dollars, but the plagues from immune defeciency are starting. AIDs IS a mutating disease, which is why it can't be cured. It keeps changing.
There's now an incurable staff infection that grew out of autoimmune disease. Right now, most of it is contained in hospitals - right now,that is.
Then there's the overuse of antibiotics. Gays eat them like candy. Stomach infections from feces is a biggie, plus the intestional infections caused by forign objects.
Add the autoimmune staff infection mutation and the over use of antibiotics together, and we're heading for a huge plague like never before.
Should we remain "politically correct" in exchange for the possible demise of even more millions of human lives?
When do we say "enough" perversions? How many more will suffer simply for the lusts of 1% of the population?

328 posted on 12/10/2002 5:19:34 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Bluntpoint
Hey concerned, what are you doing after this thread? Lets get together.

No . But thanks anyway. ( See how easy it is to just say "no"? LOL)

329 posted on 12/10/2002 5:21:02 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
What bothers me about the whole suit is that a couple of homosexuals will be responsible for destroying the entire Meals on Wheels program for the sake of a few bucks in their own pockets. Their sex is more important than millions of elderly people depending on that food.

Its a shame that the Salvation Army must use tax dollars forcibly taken from me to do their works of "charity".

330 posted on 12/10/2002 5:21:16 PM PST by Diverdogz
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To: DAnconia55
Met Jihadi yet?

Actually, yes. They just might be a match made in, um, well, somewhere.
331 posted on 12/10/2002 5:21:58 PM PST by BikerNYC
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To: concerned about politics
Thank you for not viewing me as just another conquest.
332 posted on 12/10/2002 5:23:14 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Texaggie79
Re:Reason#1 Absolutely, we do it all the time. I.E. Speed Limits, seatbelts, motorcycle helmets, health department codes, building codes, food inspectors, etc.

Re:Reason#2 Absolutely, we do it all the time.
We have a ton of laws designed to prevent illegal activity that you could argue infringes on people's liberties or imposes some burden. Sometimes we go overboard. This is not one of those times.

And since sodomy was never a "right" to begin with. I say protect the innocents from the sodomizers.
333 posted on 12/10/2002 5:23:27 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Bella_Bru
And why is that? Because when you say a married couple can do what they want in bed, you mean only missionary position, vaginal intercourse? So, I am a homosexual because I have oral sex with someone of the OPPOSITE sex? You need a dictionary. Badly.

I'm sorry. You must have misunderstood. I approve heterosexual contacts. Men and woman are made for each other. Glad you and your husband are happy. It's nice.

334 posted on 12/10/2002 5:23:51 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Diverdogz
Its a shame that the Salvation Army must use tax dollars forcibly taken from me to do their works of "charity".

The elderly, those who spent their whole lives paying taxes, don't mind being fed. Go figure.

336 posted on 12/10/2002 5:27:00 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
Hey, I tried telling her the same thing. However, now I am afraid to go bed with my wife. Listening to FF578, I think I might be a sodomite. If my wife turns me in to Chamber, I might be in for an awful time.
337 posted on 12/10/2002 5:28:23 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: What is the bottom line
Small government conservatives and social conservatives don't fit well together.

I'd like to debate that. Where are all the tax dollars spent? Where did bigger government come from? Why have all these committies?
Liberalism.
Cleaning up social problems caused by liberalism.
Welfare unwed mothers who need food stamps, housing, clothing, medical, dental, education....
Drug abuse programs, Aids funding, Alchohol and AAA, divorce and broken families, uneducated people from public schools.
The moral decline is how we got our big government in the first place! Now they want "Free proscription drugs and heathcare."

338 posted on 12/10/2002 5:34:10 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: DannyTN
Speed Limits, seatbelts, motorcycle helmets (ALL on PUBLIC owned property), health department codes, building codes, food inspectors (these are simply security blankets, the private sector would handle that MUCH better)

Our liberty is not something to be "experimented with". Liberty is the foundation of this nation. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.



"You show no respect for Freedom and, pretty soon, you have none." - Texaggie79 (in reply to DannyTN) Dec 10, 2002

340 posted on 12/10/2002 5:40:31 PM PST by Texaggie79
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