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ARE BLACK CONSERVATIVES "UNCLE TOMS"? YES ...
Vanity (But Published by FrontPageMag.com) ^ | Today | MAKnight

Posted on 12/10/2002 8:27:44 AM PST by MAKnight

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To: Txslady
It is from knowledge that you have this belief. Why can't we speak to those who have been told lies for so long? Give them the knowledge that you or I have. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. Why keep it to yourself.

As long as Conservatism is looked upon as a Belief System, it is subject to attack. When it becomes merely an OPINION, then it pales in comparison to a Value.

I said nothing about keeping Conservatism to myself, only that I am under no personal obligation to spread the word to the Black community at large.

I didnt become a Conservative, I have always been one, for lack of name. When I registered to vote, I took seriously the values that Conservatives share and decided to remain independent, instead of signing up as a Republican. "Conservative" and "Republican" are two different things.

It would be much more effective, were Conservatives to only display the BENEFITS of Conservatism through their own lives, and let the masses decide for themselves, rather than to woo, and cajole a bunch of mealy-mouthed Moderates into joining our side based upon empty promises of the 'good life'.

Were I advising you about your child, it would be to only promote their individualism, and their embrase of personal responsibility. If you do that, there is no way they could be anything BUT Conservative.

Conservative WITHOUT some sense of duty to those lazy enough to choose the Liberal path, and unafraid of adhering to their values, just because others suffer for not.

41 posted on 12/10/2002 10:21:09 AM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: MAKnight
That was one of the best posts in a long time.
Unfortunately it seems that if you are black, there are only two ways to succeed without getting villified: the sports or entertainment.
However, if there was no racial problems there would be no need for a Jesse Jackson or a Al Sharpton. They like to keep a rift so they have a purpose and some power. If a Vietnamese immigrant comes over here with nothing and works hard and becomes succesful, most people would be happy for him. He would never be called a banana (yellow on the outside...) Being a business professional isn't selling out, but unfortunately it is seen that way.
I don't have a solution, but I do have respect for brave individuals like yourself, Conni Rice, JC Watts, and Clarence Thomas who have to pit their beliefs against their community. Maybe it will just take one person like yourself at a time.
42 posted on 12/10/2002 10:31:17 AM PST by Barney Gumble
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To: Liberal Classic
we call such Indians= apples, red on the outside, white on the inside.

my sister is one of those!

free dixie,sw

43 posted on 12/10/2002 10:37:07 AM PST by stand watie
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To: Liberal Classic
Back when she was still in college, my wife came home one day to tell me she had been called a coconut. Brown on the outside but white on the inside.

My sister-in-law, whose parents came from China back in the 40's, refers to herself as a banana. Yellow on the outside, white on the inside.

44 posted on 12/10/2002 10:37:44 AM PST by TotusTuus
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To: stand watie
You learn something new every day. Thanks! :)
45 posted on 12/10/2002 10:38:39 AM PST by Liberal Classic
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To: MAKnight
Thank you.

The tradition of being like Uncle Tom goes back to real heroes such as Daniel, Elijah, Joshua, and Joseph --those willing to hold to what is right, no matter what either their apparent adversaries or friends do, or wrongly believe about them --people willing to stand alone.

That's also the way of those who follow the One who came to hang alone, for all of us. Narrow is His way.

46 posted on 12/10/2002 10:40:19 AM PST by unspun
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To: MAKnight
I have a black conservative friend. Well I guess I used to have one. Last year he told me he was switching over and becoming a democrat. When I asked him why he said he couldnt win as a black conservative that becuase he worked in the University system he had gone as far as he could being Republican because he was precieved as a traitor. I havent talked to him since. I think because through his influence I became a conservative and I felt betrayed when he told me he was becoming a demoncrat. Maybe I was wrong to disassociate myself from him I didn't understand the pressure he was under.
47 posted on 12/10/2002 10:40:45 AM PST by Sentis
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To: BuddhaBoy
Well said. :o)

Luckily this year my son has a conservative teacher for America History. Otherwise I would have more work cut out for me then I already do. Believe it or not… having to disseminate what they and others try to teach my son isn’t always easy to do.

Belief or Opinion we are all subject to attack... unfortunately or fortunately. As far as your obligation to spread the word... you have none. Thankfully, you share it here at Free Republic and maybe elsewhere. I have chosen to do so as well. So has MAKnight and for that - many - I’m sure are thankful.
48 posted on 12/10/2002 10:42:00 AM PST by Txslady
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To: Smedley
make that the "damnyankee DIMocRATS will never stop with the lies" and i'll HAPPILY AGREE! most of the racebaiting today comes out of the poisonivy-covered walls of NE-academia & new england. it has forever been thus.

free dixie,sw

49 posted on 12/10/2002 10:42:28 AM PST by stand watie
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To: Liberal Classic
WELCOME!

free dixie NOW,sw

50 posted on 12/10/2002 10:46:47 AM PST by stand watie
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To: BuddhaBoy
"It would be much more effective, were Conservatives to only display the BENEFITS of Conservatism through their own lives, and let the masses decide for themselves, rather than to woo, and cajole a bunch of mealy-mouthed Moderates into joining our side based upon empty promises of the 'good life'."


Sadly, this isn't true. Look at our American heritage and where it is headed. We are the leaders of the world and have put our "good life" on display for all. The oppressed and enslaved saw us as a beacon of hope in a dark world.

Socialists and the lazy (dare I repeat myself?) have perverted our values from capitalism and self-reliance to greedy self-absorbtion. Those who see America now see a suckled sow with constituencies at home and abroad taking what they want rather than contributing to the common good.

Initially, I had the same thought as you... liberals prostletize their socialist religion, conservatives live their lives and lead by example. The problem is that we are too evidently losing the war. We've been so busy making America great, the socialists have had years to indoctrinate generations on their version of what makes us great.

It's time for us to teach and to lead. When American values prevailed, quiet example was enough. Now that our younger generations (and incredible legal and illegal immigrant populations) have been taught to shun our example, we must reintroduce our values to the mainstream or risk the dissolution of the true American Dream.

To me, it's worth fighting for.
51 posted on 12/10/2002 10:49:09 AM PST by pgyanke
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To: goodnesswins
Her son is Mack Strong

They are from Georgia.

52 posted on 12/10/2002 10:50:08 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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To: MAKnight; mhking; rdb3
Black conservatives are our hope for the future. African Americans, as a whole, have been served up a whole bunch of lies by the Demonrats for decades. They've demonized white conservatives as well as black conservatives. Working together and supporting each other, our chances for change are far greater!
53 posted on 12/10/2002 10:55:14 AM PST by ThomasMore
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To: pgyanke
Sadly, this isn't true. Look at our American heritage and where it is headed. We are the leaders of the world and have put our "good life" on display for all. The oppressed and enslaved saw us as a beacon of hope in a dark world.

Yes it is true.

Our American Heritage is in trouble, because Conservatives, through their Republican apparatus, have been apologizing for Conservative principles for decades. They have lied to people about what Conservatism is all about, and not stressed the values that created this nation.

They have been preaching inclusiveness, instead of exclusiveness, as if it were a bad thing. Conservatives have no space among them for faux-conservatives in Republican clothing. Republicans apologize for some people being better off than others, instead of pointing out the fact that life isnt fair, and that only the best will be guaranteed ultimate success in life, while the rest can only be proud for the effort.

Liberals tell people that they WOULD be successful if not for Conservatives holding them back, and it is easier for them to believe that, then to believe that they were lazy or stupid bums who couldnt succeed otherwise.

Do you notice how pervasive the Lottery is among the poor? It is because although they KNOW that not everyone can win, that they cannot win if they dont TRY. This is the message that Republicans and Conservatives should LIVE, not share, and stop going along with Liberals that wish to excuse failures in society by writing them a government check at our expense.

Right now, the only people who suffer in America, are the successful. Failures should suffer, not us. Maybe if we were to TAX the poor, they would knock it off. I'm not kidding.

54 posted on 12/10/2002 11:04:07 AM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: MAKnight
"ARE WE BLACK CONSERVATIVES Uncle Toms?

Not sure about that, but I am certain the labels "Grown-up Blacks", "Intelligent Blacks", and "Morally-superior Blacks" fit.

55 posted on 12/10/2002 11:08:13 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: BuddhaBoy
"Our American Heritage is in trouble, because Conservatives, through their Republican apparatus, have been apologizing for Conservative principles for decades. They have lied to people about what Conservatism is all about, ** and not stressed the values that created this nation.** "


See? We do agree. No one's saying (I don't think) that we should start a crusade of preaching conservative ideals and values. We're saying we should stand up for what we believe and not shrink. We should support those who speak the truth and not let them be vilified in the court of public opinion.

It's not a call to arms, it's a call to cease inactivity and passive observance.
56 posted on 12/10/2002 11:11:22 AM PST by pgyanke
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Blacks in America how to show them Freedom

The Democrats have always been the party of Slavery. They showed who they truely are first in the 1860's when they divided this country and killed hundreds of thousands of young men just to retain their power both in Slaves and in the US Senate. Today they are just a little more subtle in their unending quest for power. Their slavery today is mental not physical. Men and women of all races, classes, and creeds are chained with the shackles of lies and beat with the flail of shame. They shame those who would leave their ranks. They shame them with words and emotions. They tell you you don't care abou the environment or the poor. You care about them, so you stay and vote for them, only to little by little become more like those poor people you voted to help.

They beat you over and over with how much they care about you. Of course the Slave master cares about his property. How many times did African Americans in the days of slavery hear how much the slave Master cared for them. Of course he cared they were his bread and butter. He cared just enough to keep them from rebelling he cared just enough to keep them in bondage. Blacks should have flocked to the Republican party after the war, why didn't they? Because they were seduced by slavery they returned to what they knew. Someone to talk for them, someone to feed them, someone to tell them when and how hard to work, someone to think thoughts for them. To the demoncrats Blacks are a tool. A tool to keep them in power no different than the tool that once toiled in their fields. A tool that once it is no longer useful will be discarded.



African American's are losing ground in this country. They are slowly becoming a minority among minorities. Before long voting Hispanics will far outnumber voting Blacks at that point the cherished position of "house slave" will pass on to those hispanics who have been seduced by the ease of political slavery. Where will this leave Blacks? Either they will come to the Republicans (without any real power in the party) or be turned out to the demoncratic fields as a very junior partner with little voice and no power.
57 posted on 12/10/2002 11:20:16 AM PST by Sentis
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To: Grim
Uncle Tom, was in fact, an admirable, Christ-like figure.

A major ditto on this one. I find it infuriating that a fictional character displaying dignity and courage to the death should be misused this way, when in fact he was more responsible for bringing the humanity of slaves to the forefront of popular thought than any other character before or since. They should be building memorials to the guy. Instead, this.

58 posted on 12/10/2002 11:20:53 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: MAKnight
ARE BLACK CONSERVATIVES "UNCLE TOMS"? YES ...

It's very dangerous to take the accepted usage of a word, then change it to mean what you want it to mean -- especially a word (or phrase) as racially charged as "Uncle Tom".

I understand what the author is saying, but it is foolish to call himself an Uncle Tom, even if by using that phrase, he means something completely different. You run the risk of having someone call you an Uncle Tom -- only they will be using the original meaning.

It's exactly the same as someone on this board who wanted to use the phrase "New Pro-Choice", to mean the exact opposite of what "pro-choice" currently means. You run the risk of people thinking you're pro-choice when, in fact, you're just the opposite (against choice).

I think the author could have made his point using a different word or phrase.

59 posted on 12/10/2002 12:15:43 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: MAKnight
My dad who has been a life-long registered Democrat who always seems to vote conservative or Republican, said that the Democrat party is "the party of death and slavery". LOL.
60 posted on 12/10/2002 12:29:48 PM PST by VRW Conspirator
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