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To: Luis Gonzalez
No I am not, I don't have to argue Christian beliefs with you, I am a Christian and quite satisfied with my personal relationship with God, and with all due respect, I do not require your help. Not only that, but I don't consider throwing Bible quotes around any sort of debate.

That's fine, no problem. However, I do disagree that I was "throwing Bible quotes around." I was simply making a comparison between what the Bible says about Jehovah and what the Koran says about Allah, which I thought was the gist of the original discussion.

I am debating the person in here who made the statement that those who do not believe Jesus Christ is who He is, are the anti-Christ...you would think that I was talking to the Right Reverend Al Sharpton.

I probably missed the brunt of the nastiness, because like I said, I started skimming when that happened. The only reason I copied you on my post was because I thought you were part of the original discussion. I apologize if I included you in error. But with regard to the verse in question, my only point was that there is a difference betweeen someone being "antichrist" and someone being "AN or THE antichrist." The verse has no article and to add one changes the whole meaning, especially in light of how modern Christianity uses the word.

One cannot claim understanding of a religion by reading bits and pieces of that religion's sacred documents, it can't be done with Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

Of course not. I didn't suggest that one can and argue that I didn't do that myself. I feel I'm familiar enough with Islam to make solid statements. If I can be shown otherwise, great. I have no problem admitting error.

To escalate this into a religious war is to fall right into bin Laden's and the rest of Muslim extremist's hands, to condemn and blame all of Islam for the actions of the adherents of one small faction, is to unite Islam, and make enemies of those who otherwise are not enemies.

I agree. And on the other hand, to ignore the deeply rooted historical and contemporary problems of Islam that permeate throughout the faith is just as bad.

To engage in the sort of name-calling so apparent in this forum, and to openly call for nuclear strikes on Muslims Holy sites, and the capitals of Muslim capitals around the world, is to award bin Laden with the victory he so desires. And yes, those suggestions have been made, quite frequently as a matter of fact, by members in good standing of this forum. Clear heads are required to abort the possibility of a world war where the enemy could be living right next door to you.

No disagreement from me.

What do I think God thinks about Muslims? He loves us all. "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."---John 3:16

Agree again.

Let me ask you something. Do you believe that Christ would have us judge Muslims? Or do you think that He would have us witness to them, and warn us that passing judgment belongs to His Father?

There is a difference between judging and weighing against scripture. Jesus was not afraid to call a spade a spade. His Word has already set the standard. And that perspective must be maintained if we are to be effective witnesses at all. If we indicate that we believe Muslims are on the right track (ie believe in the same God but with a different perception of His character), can we honestly approach them with the salvation message? We have to believe that they are headed for trouble and in need of a savior, a Savior whom their Koran tells them to wholly reject.

Thanks much for the post...and for the congratulations. And no offense but I sure wish I were not still here and posting to you this morning - I'm ready to be done! :)

315 posted on 12/18/2002 7:18:19 AM PST by agrace
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To: agrace
"There is a difference between judging and weighing against scripture."

Thanks for the post, and I remember quite well my wife being ready to be "done with" her pregnancies, our oldest will turn seven tomorrow.

Good luck, and God bless.

There are many passages in the Koran which speak highly of Jesus, and while not recognizing Him as the Saviour, they venerate Him, and speak highly of Mary, and Christians in general.

Wahhabism comprises about 10% of Islam, with the more moderate Sunnis being the majority. Wahhabism and Saudi petrodollars are the true enemies here, and any talk of a religious war plays right into the enemy's hand.

One last thing, and I am certain that your knowledge of scripture far surpasses mine, but I distinctly remember reading that the anti-Christ would "come from us"...that us being Christians.

316 posted on 12/18/2002 7:47:52 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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