[republicanwizard]

I'm sure followers of Jesus Christ never twisted his words to kill those who disagreed with him.

I'll check with all those of the Jewish faith who died, or the countless Muslims or Indians. After all, it was the Spanish who said that because Indians were not aware of the Bible, they could not be human.

I'll bet that Northern Ireland is all about Muslim terrorists. Thanks for that news, my theologians.

Considering the relative youth of the religion, Islam is pretty advanced.

[artios]

Welcome to freerepublic. I noticed you recently joined.

The members here are conservative and logically thinking. When they look at EVERY mulsim government in ALL history and read the Koran itelf, there is a clear conclusion - Isalm is a religion of war, intolerance, hatred to "infidel" jews and christians, - they believe it is a positive ethic to lie to the infidel or do anything else - all to their end of a world government run by Islam - the "Islam is a religion of peace" is in his narrow sense true - they believe they will have world peace when all the infidels have been killed or converted.

On the other hand, the CHRISTIAN founders of America insituted LIBERTY and GOD GIVEN RIGHTS to ALL men as the basis for govt. "We hold these truths to be self evident that ALL men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" - You will not find that sentiment in ANY Muslim nation now, in history - or in the future.

Islam is a religion foounded by a terrorist pedophile and for hate filled intolerant totalitarian supporting slaves that think its ok to publically shoot a woman in the head for being accused of adultery. "Religion of peace... my ass."

And don't give me any "slavery slavery, whote men and slavery bs" - Our founders INSTITUTED Liberty as a basis for govt in the face of the WORLD practice of slavery. Our founders built the FIRST government insitution that laid out the logic and legal arguement against slavery.

[Delbert]

republicanwizard signed up 2002-11-18. ISP link has been traced to a tent on the outskirts of Islamabad.

[Angelus Errare]

As much as I understand and appreciate what you're doing, I've somewhat resigned myself to the fact that the vast majority of Freepers seem to believe that bin Laden is correct in his reading of the Qur'an. Any reading of the book that doesn't automatically leave the believer with a desire to go out and kill the infidels is wrong, hopelessly Westernized (i.e. against the original intentions of Mohammed), or just plain dishonest. If bin Laden could only convince half of the planet's Muslim population to believe this with half of the fervor that many Freepers do, his jihad would be over and we'd all be living under the Islamic World Caliphate.

The belief that Islam is evil is unofficially promoted by many around here with all of the fanaticism as say ... the constitutionality of abortion at a Planned Parenthood meeting. Back when this was an at least plausible discussion on the nature of Islam, I had no problem with it, but now it's simply denigrated into the realm of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion." There is something of a note of high irony to the point that we consider ourselves so much more educated than our counterparts in the Arab world yet we fall for a different version of the same big lie.

The type of electronic lynch mobs that stringently endeavor to enforce this type of pseudo-orthodoxy are no different in of their total lack of regard to an alternative point of view, as can regularly be seen whenever our Turk posters bother to speak up to defend their faith and are subjected to countless derisions about how they must renounce it and embrace Christianity or are else derided with the same trite crap that you just got a glimpse of in this thread.

Of course, these are the same people who keep on saying "moderate Islam doesn't apologize for its radical side" and then shout down and denounce as lying anyone who dares to do so. I would challenge any of these people to take their respective "findings" in regard to Islam to the local mosque. If what they say is true, shouldn't they desire to help any of their fellow Americans who may have been unknowingly suckered into this abominable religion? Or should all Muslims be dismissed as lost and then (one assumes) eradicated?

These are the two inevitable courses of action that come from the FR view of Islam. Either they should do everything in their power to inform all of these peaceful Muslims who are too dumb to get it through their heads that the Qur'an says that they should be praying for our deaths or they should begin plans to eradicate Islam by force worldwide, a plan that many here have voiced their support of. A plan worthy of their characterization of Mohammed, that.

Of course, most people logically seem to view both of these courses of action repellant, which may explain why they prefer to denounce Islam from the relative anonymity of this forum rather than to the faces of actual Muslims where their views might be confronted by individuals far more knowledgeable about the nature of Islam than a couple of people who skimmed some websites, cut-and-pasted from the Qur'an, and read the same religious propoganda (and it isn't just Islam that receives this treatment, since as a Catholic I am constantly pestered by folks who are so certain that I secretly worship Mary as a goddess) that works just fine until somebody comes along to refute them.

If people here were actually interested in finding out what Muslims actually believe about x, y, and z, they could simply post the verses and hadiths in question in respectable form on any one of dozens of English language Islamic forums and then post the results here.

That would give them a quick way to find out about what real Muslims actually believe about taqiyya, Fatima, jihad, suicide bombings, and any number of other topics. But somehow I sincerely doubt it will happen.

[virgil]

I am not talking about "followers of JC" I am referring to Mohammed himself and Islam. Surah 47:4 Muslims are commanded by Allah to smite the necks of all those who do not accept the teachings of Islam until all are subdued. When did JC ever call for execution? I am questioning the actual validity of Islam as a religion. There is no way that the God of Mohammed could be the same as the God of the Christians or even the Jews for that matter. JC never guaranteed 72 virgins in paradise. JC never said that war is a virtue and a duty. In Christianity, the law does not take presidnece over God like it does with Islam. JC did not come to give us law, he came to give us love.