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To: tpaine
Meaningless generalizations as these 'realities' you discuss are not established. You & V. believe they exist. - I don't. I see only one reality about us.

Then you will have no cause for complaint, tpaine, when the "Progressive Left" or some other more "advanced" afficianado of Second Reality strips you of your liberties by tampering with the "law." The secret of Second Reality is that its denizens really do believe that they have the power to establish "laws" that are binding on everyone, regardless of whether "everyone" (or anyone) likes it or not. We call this: Compulsion. Coersion, Tyranny.

God's law, in contrast, is never so complicated, convoluted, or "anti-individual." It is the model of simplicity itself, which says the dignity of the human person, being sacred, may not be violated by any man. Man may do whatever his free will gives scope to -- subject to judgment in due course. Not man's judgment; but God's judgment.

And I have a fairly confident feeling at this point in my spiritual development that God tends to judge man precisely in terms of the kinds of judgments that man renders against his neighbor....

Of course, you do not believe in God. And so this entire conversation is not merely superfluous, but utterly devoid of meaning to you.... (If I had to guess....)

54 posted on 12/08/2002 5:09:57 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
Meaningless generalizations as these 'realities' you discuss are not established. You & V. believe they exist. - I don't. I see only one reality about us.

Then you will have no cause for complaint, tpaine, when the "Progressive Left" or some other more "advanced" afficianado of Second Reality strips you of your liberties by tampering with the "law."

My belief in the existence a single reality somehow means I can't object to my enemies violating my rights? Bizarro logic betty.

The secret of Second Reality is that its denizens really do believe that they have the power to establish "laws" that are binding on everyone, regardless of whether "everyone" (or anyone) likes it or not. We call this: Compulsion. Coersion, Tyranny. God's law, in contrast, is never so complicated, convoluted, or "anti-individual." It is the model of simplicity itself, which says the dignity of the human person, being sacred, may not be violated by any man. Man may do whatever his free will gives scope to -- subject to judgment in due course. Not man's judgment; but God's judgment.

You preach to the choir. - I have no objections to your beliefs.

And I have a fairly confident feeling at this point in my spiritual development that God tends to judge man precisely in terms of the kinds of judgments that man renders against his neighbor.... Of course, you do not believe in God. And so this entire conversation is not merely superfluous, but utterly devoid of meaning to you.... (If I had to guess....)

You are guessing betty, - obviously. Just as you are also desperate to find some way to discredit my observation that V. is an intellectual sham.

55 posted on 12/08/2002 5:32:54 PM PST by tpaine
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To: betty boop
The secret of Second Reality is that its denizens really do believe that they have the power to establish "laws" that are binding on everyone, regardless of whether "everyone" (or anyone) likes it or not. We call this: Compulsion. Coersion, Tyranny.

There's something else about the 2nd Reality - self-centeredness. The attack on God and morals is an attack on any authority except the self. It is the replacement of morals by the Machiavellian principle of 'the ends justifies the means'. Another variation of it is the Clintonian principle of 'if you can get away with it, it's not a crime'.

79 posted on 12/08/2002 9:59:04 PM PST by gore3000
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