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To: daviddennis
I appreciate your input and point of view re: the heart of the matter.

. I , too, would like to have more information before I thoroughly jumped all over these CEOs and officers. Altho I have already spikemarked 'em for easy later reference ;-). Compensation is a touchy issue.

Yes, we do have legal rights to exercise options, it is part of the way business operates, and as long as all the paperwork is in order and not injurious to the corporation and shareholders. It is katie-bar-the-door so to speak in feast times and litigious when times are not so good.

Maybe for me, it is the excessive amounts involved. In the old days, the ratio of pay between worker bee and corporate bees was much closer then it is today.

The base issue is one of what is fair compensation? The internet boom blew the old range all to heck.

If you can get a copy of today's Mercury News, do so. It has a lot more information contained in it then is shown online. I haven't read thru the whole thing yet...I'll pas on what I can.

I been watching the Cowboys whup up on the 9ers. Im hoping the Vikes can stall the Packers tonite.
10 posted on 12/08/2002 1:16:05 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Im hoping the Vikes can stall the Packers tonite.

I taught my nephew a phrase that will serve him well as a budding Vikings fan (he's 10).

It's a rebuilding year.
11 posted on 12/08/2002 2:26:05 PM PST by cryptical
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To: NormsRevenge; Dog Gone; Robert357
I think we could both agree that the article was written in an inflammatory way that involved significant omissions of fact.

The phenomenon of bidding up investments beyond all sanity is centuries old. I believe the first recorded incident was Holland's TulipMania, where people were trading their houses for individual bulbs, because they felt the bulbs would continue to appreciate forever.

I understand that this is personal because it's probably your money, among other people's. And I can't blame you for taking losses personally, but that doesn't mean the executives involved necessarily did anything wrong.

There seems to be an interesting slant in the news that blames everything in the known universe on fraud. For example, the disasterous collapse of WorldCom seems to be credited to fraud. In reality, WorldCom overpaid for a lot of assets. They borrowed money on those assets at the time. Now that the Internet boom is gone, and people aren't signing up for broadband Internet access in massive numbers, the assets are worth pennies on the dollar. That's a crash due to overoptimism, not fraud.

They did cook the books for a while to try and make things look OK for as long as possible, but all that did was to delay the collapse by a few months and make it more spectacular. Actual blame for the collapse should properly go to bad investment decisions, not fraud.

This is very similar in nature to what's going on with the California power crisis. Governor Davis is saying that the state overpaid due to tricks and fraudulent transactions. There were some tricks, and some fraudulent transactions, and the people involved are (quite rightly) being punished. But those tricks amounted to one or two percent of the total price increases at most. Eliminating them would have not helped the broader picture at all.

In short, we should be careful about scapegoating perfectly good companies and reasonable people. Save your wrath for genuine incompetence and deliberatly poor behaviour.

Remember, sending the burden to corporations lightens that of Gray Davis - and as you know, he's one person who richly deserves blame for the recent disasters.

D

12 posted on 12/08/2002 4:01:11 PM PST by daviddennis
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