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Man Jailed For Bush Remark
CNEWS ^ | December 6, 2002 | December 6, 2002

Posted on 12/07/2002 4:25:06 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) -- A man who made a remark about a "burning Bush" during the president's March 2001 trip to Sioux Falls was sentenced Friday to 37 months in prison.

Richard Humphreys of Portland, Ore., was convicted in September of threatening to kill or harm the president and said he plans to appeal. He has said the comment was a prophecy protected under his right to free speech.

Humphreys said he got into a barroom discussion in nearby Watertown with a truck driver. A bartender who overheard the conversation realized the president was to visit Sioux Falls the next day and told police Humphreys talked about a "burning Bush" and the possibility of someone pouring a flammable liquid on Bush and lighting it.

"I said God might speak to the world through a burning Bush," Humphreys testified during his trial. "I had said that before and I thought it was funny."


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To: swarthyguy
Well, I don't see a specific verbal threat on the life of a POTUS yet.

Got one?

I mean, I don't want to spend all day comparing apples and donuts, you know?

(And, what do you think the penalty should be for someone in a mosque who utters such things?)
81 posted on 12/08/2002 11:44:27 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: DAnconia55
Not sure about this one. You can't threaten the President, I just don't know if that's what this guy did here.

Can't we just rename them Kings and be done with it?

I can't threaten you either. And threats against you don't even threaten the integrity of our system of government.

82 posted on 12/08/2002 11:45:05 AM PST by MattAMiller
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
This is a joke right? If not, half the liberals I know would be in jail
83 posted on 12/08/2002 11:45:43 AM PST by The Raven
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Worse- A whole lot worse!!
84 posted on 12/08/2002 11:47:05 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
>>(And, what do you think the penalty should be for someone in a mosque who utters such things?)

Well, going by events recently, he'll probably get an invite to dinner at the White House or a trip to Crawford.


85 posted on 12/08/2002 11:47:45 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
What is it that you want to be able to do or say that you are not free to do or say?

What CAN I say if I don't WANT to upset or ATTACK anyone?

86 posted on 12/08/2002 11:50:07 AM PST by Six Bells
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To: swarthyguy
That's not what I asked you. I asked you what you thought the penalty should be.
87 posted on 12/08/2002 11:51:55 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Six Bells
Huh? LOL
88 posted on 12/08/2002 11:52:39 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
I am appalled at the remarks here made by so-called conservatives. I understand that there is more to this than has been relayed by this tiny story, but those who are cheering on the jailing of folks who make jokes sound much more like DUmmies than conservatives. I seem to recall FR being chock full of jokes about the First Rapist, and no one was then in fear of being thrown in jail. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
89 posted on 12/08/2002 11:53:13 AM PST by Under the Radar
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
37 months in jail.
90 posted on 12/08/2002 11:53:43 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
He was talking about pouring flammable liquid on the President and lighting it. He may not have meant he was going to do it himself, just that he hoped someone would. I would bet that is the case, in fact. But, we don't know for sure.....lock him up.
91 posted on 12/08/2002 11:55:53 AM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Dotter...

You mite well be surprised at what little adverse sayings brings the SS people calling on a less than social visit.

Perhaps I do value my freedom of speech more than some. Nowhere in the constitution does it say, "The masses must relinquish certains rights in favor of the office of the presidency". This nation survived nearly 200 years without such a restriction. Please show me where it is written by the Founding Fathers, that the man residing in the White House warrants protections above and beyond the masses?????

I thot that we were all "EQUAL" under the law, perhaps I am wrong or maybe some people are more equal..

92 posted on 12/08/2002 12:02:24 PM PST by cynicom
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
A jury of his peers convicted him and he got 35 months for a joke? I don't think the full story, which obviously came out in court, is posted here.
93 posted on 12/08/2002 12:03:46 PM PST by hattend
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To: swarthyguy
Okay. So, if you were on the jury and someone in a mosque, having made reference to pouring gasoline on President Bush and lighting him on fire was facing judgment, you would be comfortable convicting that individual and seeing him sentenced to 37 months of confinement.

Just so we're clear on that. Good.
94 posted on 12/08/2002 12:05:21 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Six Bells
What CAN I say if I don't WANT to upset or ATTACK anyone?

"Do you WANT fries with THAT?"

95 posted on 12/08/2002 12:06:58 PM PST by Amelia
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To: Dog Gone; All
I don't know why people post these incomplete articles. It is pretty clear the writer wanted to leave out the most salient point which is that the guy is bonkers. An AP story from here (found via Google):

A federal jury in Sioux Falls, S.D., took just over an hour to return a guilty verdict last week in the case of an Oregon man accused of making threats against President Bush.

Meanwhile, a Pennsylvania man says he'll fight disorderly conduct charges stemming from his arrest during Bush's visit to that state last week.

In the South Dakota case, Richard Humphreys, of Portland, Ore., was arrested in Sioux Falls in March 2001, and indicted on a federal charge of threatening to kill or harm the president. The charge carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

A jury of seven men and five women received the case at mid-afternoon on Sept. 5.

Earlier that day, Humphreys told the jury that a comment about a "burning Bush" before President Bush's visit to Sioux Falls last year was a prophecy that offers First Amendment protection.

Humphreys, who calls himself prophet Israel Humphreys, said a similar reference he made in an Internet Christian chat room was a joke and that neither can be viewed as a threat on the president.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Ridgeway said the Secret Service and people who heard the remark thought otherwise.

"It wasn't a joke. It wasn't funny. Simply put, it was a threat," Ridgeway told the jury during Humphreys' trial.

"The documents, his actions, his words all speak to one thing," Ridgeway said in closing arguments.

Humphreys said his trip to South Dakota was the fourth of his "discipleship journeys" that began in 1993 and are meant to promote Christianity through controversial acts or unusual public statements.

He said he has been arrested 25 times — with all but three cases dismissed — and that his indictment on the threat charge was the result of government profiling.

Humphreys said he left Portland on March 1, 2001, and arrived in Watertown on March 8 where he got into a 1:20 a.m. barroom discussion with a truck driver about Christians who drink too much alcohol.

Realizing that President Bush was to visit Sioux Falls the next day, a bartender told police that Humphreys talked about a "burning Bush" and the possibility of someone pouring a flammable liquid on Bush and lighting it.

"I said God might speak to the world through a burning Bush... . I had said that before and I thought it was funny. It was prophetizing," Humphreys testified.

He was taken into custody the next day at a Sioux Falls motel just hours before the president arrived. Humphreys said he didn't threaten the president and didn't know he was visiting Sioux Falls.

Meanwhile in the Pennsylvania case, Bill Neel says speech isn't free if he had to speak behind a fence during the president's Sept. 2 visit to Neville Island, Pa.

"The police told me I had to be in the designated free-speech area. That's a contradiction in terms," said Neel, 65, who along with his sister, Joyce, 50, were the only two people arrested during Bush's Labor Day visit to Neville Island, upstream of Pittsburgh in the Ohio River.

Neel, of Butler, Pa., refused to join other Bush protesters inside a baseball field behind a fence and was arrested as he held a sign, reading: "The Bushes must truly love the poor — they've made so many of them."

Neville police Superintendent Edward Selzer said most people cooperated with the protester corral, which was ordered by the Secret Service.

"You can't deny them the right to demonstrate, but you can restrict where they demonstrate," Selzer said. "It's best for everybody that way."

Bush's visit to Neville Island was the first by a president since Franklin Roosevelt came in the 1930s.

In the Sioux Falls case, Humphreys acted as his own attorney in the case, with occasional help from public defender William Delaney, who sat behind him in the spectator section of the courtroom.

When it was time for Humphreys to present his case, he questioned two witnesses and then took the stand to answer questions from Delaney and read a lengthy portion from the Bible.

With Delaney's questioning completed, Humphreys began recounting his version of the events and his activities of the past nine years. As his narrative approached 45 minutes, Ridgeway more frequently challenged the relevance of it and Humphreys then rested his case.

Typically, the Secret Service is quick to investigate but loathe to prosecute.

96 posted on 12/08/2002 12:08:34 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: Mulder
the feds should be arresting those engaged in a criminal conspiracy to overthrow the US Constitution and our Bill of Rights.

They would have to arrest each other, you know. The rebels who operate this government, especially since the '60's, have overthrow the government and scrapped the Constitution.

97 posted on 12/08/2002 12:10:13 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: Deep_6
FIRE!

OK, it's a much more effective point when made in a crowded theater.

98 posted on 12/08/2002 12:10:34 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
As long as you consider bar room trash talk and sermons in a mosque equivalent.
99 posted on 12/08/2002 12:13:20 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
The same rules should apply to everyone. We don't have royalty. Everyone is equal before the law or has that been repealed?
100 posted on 12/08/2002 12:16:48 PM PST by Eternal_Bear
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