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Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

Rare for me means to recognize that some women who unexpectantly or accidently become pregnant are in extremely precarious positions in their lives. Maybe they have just dumped an abusive husband/boyfriend/lover and are in no way financially able to support themselves through a pregnancy, much less support a new life. Maybe it's a poor young woman who has just recieved a scholarship to a prestigious medical school and she will lose her ticket out of poverty if she needs to take time off for pregnancy and childbirth. Maybe we have to understand that some women in some circumstances do not view a first tri-mester abortion as traumatic as giving up the baby they just gave birth to for adoption and wondering their whole lives what became of that child and feeling guilty that they made the wrong decision.

To make abortion rare maybe we should donate funds to support preganant poor woman and give them the means to keep and raise their babies instead of standing around abortion clinics protesting with posters of aborted fetuses. Maybe we should realize that not everyone in this country shares our religious beliefs, but that does not mean they are not good decent people. Maybe we should set our sites on providing stable homes for the thousands of hard to place difficult needs children in care of the states. Perhaps we should not look at this issue in stark terms of black and white, right and wrong. Maybe we should try to support preganat women more and help them keep and support their children. Perhaps we can join forces with groups like Planned Parenthood when it comes to issues such as preventing unwanted pregnancies. Maybe we can be more helpful and understanding when it comes to the trauma in the life of a young girl alone and pregnant.

Maybe someone who believes all abortion is murder can explain the rape and incest clause almost all pro-life politicians include. If you believe that abortion at any stage is murder of an innocent life then why is there an exception in these cases? It seems that there is a greater compassion for the women here than the unborn child. I feel that the more compassion and help we provide for women with unwanted pregnancies, the less abortions we will have. Compassion, help, and understanding can make abortions rare, not strident preaching or laws that are no where near having the support they need to pass.

The abortion issue didn't hurt Terrell. The idea that there's this huge mass of pro-abort women is a media-created myth. There are SOME pro-abort women but they aren't swing voters, they're hardcore Demo-rats.

If supporting abortion was beneficial, Landrieu wouldn't have gone as far as she did to lie about her own position. She even flat-out lied to her own church on a questionnaire, claiming to support legislation to protect human life from the moment of conception (i.e., legislation to ban abortion). She then flooded the airwaves with ads claiming to be "pro-adoption, not pro-abortion".

The "liberal" media want the Republicans to drop all of their conservative positions. It's the same nonsense over and over. We're told the Republicans must support affirmative action or they'll "lose the black vote". They must support open borders and welfare for illegal aliens or they'll "lose the Hispanic vote". They must support gun control or they'll "lose the soccer mom vote". They must support more welfare programs or they'll "lose the poor vote". And, of course, they must support abortion or they'll "lose the women's vote".

By the time we get through "moderating" our positions to accommodate the Dan Rather and Peter Jennings vision of what the Republican Party should be, we'll be the Republicrat Party. One party of 'rats is enough. We don't need two.

Just look at Europe, where truly right-wing parties are either banned or kept on the margins by constant media intimidation. The whole continent is dying. Voters there have a choice between leftist parties or so-called Conservative parties, which are in reality just slghtly less leftist than the leftist parties. You can vote for a leftist who favors abortion, the gay agenda, gun control, massive immigration, and lots of socialism, or vote for a so-called conservative who supports abortion, the gay agenda, gun control, massive immigration, and slightly less socialism.

That's the vision of the United States that awaits us if we abandon true conservative principles to satisfy a few elite media liberals.

Socar, yes, women and girls may become pregnant within very difficult circumstances. Something I didn't find in this posting is to make sure, especially in the DNA age, that the males who sire children and would walk away, have their paychecks garnished if necessary, to support the child (and the mother).

This is a commonly used polemic fallacy that pro-choicers raise. If you look into the checkbooks of those with pictures of the ultimate victims here (images which as in Nazi Germany would otherwise be swept into a huge pile under the rug) you would find many checks written to Pregnancy Care Centers (also called Crisis Pregnancy Centers). These provide help to women both before and after labor. These are run by people hated within the ranks of Planned Parenhood as surely as the infants are despised.

Maybe we should realize that not everyone in this country shares our religious beliefs, but that does not mean they are not good decent people.

The facts of abortion are scientifically true. Life is life; human is human; therefore human life is human life. However I agree that America is founded upon principles that come from Christianity and therefore tell us that human life (as well as a human's free will) is to be valued, not like nations which disregard the value of our lives, being "free" from morality and morality's God.

Maybe we should set our sites on providing stable homes for the thousands of hard to place difficult needs children in care of the states.

Our sites are there already (not that more couldn't become involved). The problem however, is one of supply and demand. There aren't enough babies to adopt. They've been killed. (For the very difficult, special needs children, yes, the government can help for families - and charitable institutions including those of faith - to care for them. There are some "parents" who abuse this system, however (see foster children programs) for the government paycheck, so it gets complicated. I don't think that killing babies helps us to care for babies, though.

Perhaps we should not look at this issue in stark terms of black and white, right and wrong.

How does it help, not to see right for what it is, and wrong for what it is? Simiar sentiments were raised during our centuries of slavery.

Maybe we should try to support preganat women more and help them keep and support their children.

Yes. How about donating through www.carenet.org?

Perhaps we can join forces with groups like Planned Parenthood when it comes to issues such as preventing unwanted pregnancies.

Perhaps we can do what is shown to work, instead - abstinence education, not telling children in public schools that they are simply highly developed animals, not lying to them by saying that sex outside of marriage is the norm and even unavoidable. BTW, do you know the facts of how so many STD's (including HIV) are transmitted even when condoms are used - even when they remain intact?

Maybe we can be more helpful and understanding when it comes to the trauma in the life of a young girl alone and pregnant.

Just like that Sinatra song "love and marriage...." when it comes to being compassionate to pregnange girls and compassionate to their babies, "you can't have one, without the other."

The quick explanation is - ideas of political expediency, also that as Raoul Wallenberg, the Ten Booms, Schindler, Hugenots, etc. believed in WWII, saving as many as possible, is better than not saving whom you can.

I feel that the more compassion and help we provide for women with unwanted pregnancies, the less abortions we will have. Compassion, help, and understanding can make abortions rare, not strident preaching or laws that are no where near having the support they need to pass.

There are so many women whose lives are deeply, deeply disrupted by "first trimester" abortions, though they tend to be in denial. Compassion for them calls us to tell them what they mustn't do. If you have a mountain highway with a hairpin turn, does compassion dictate you to simply go hold the hands of those who drive off the cliff as they suffer and die, or does compassion compel you to "impose" speed limits, put up the sign and a guard rail, and visit the place with a radar gun?

We need enough compassion to caringly tell the truth and commit ourselves to real prevention and care.

For instance, it is the truth that when a man and a woman engage in sex, it is then that they give up their bodies.