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Vessel Strikes Navy Ship in Persian Gulf
excite.com ^ | Dec 6, 6:23 PM (ET) | By ROBERT BURNS

Posted on 12/06/2002 3:35:33 PM PST by luv2ndamend

WASHINGTON (AP) - An unidentified vessel struck a U.S. Navy destroyer Friday in the northern Persian Gulf, punching a small hole in the destroyer's side but causing no injuries, U.S. military officials said.

The USS Paul Hamilton was in no danger and continued operating after the collision, the officials said. The small hole in the all-steel hull was above the water line.

There was no immediate word on the type or nationality of the other vessel, but the officials said there was no indication of hostile action.

The Paul Hamilton has been conducting maritime intercept operations in the Gulf in support of the global war on terrorism when the unidentified vessel struck it at 8:24 p.m. local time (12:24 p.m. EST). It is under investigation.

The Paul Hamilton, whose home port is Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, is part of the USS Abraham Lincoln battle group patrolling the Persian Gulf. The battle group is scheduled to return to the United States this month.

The destroyer is 505 feet long and has 32 officers and 313 enlisted sailors aboard. It was commissioned in 1995 and is in the Arleigh Burke class of destroyers. One of its sister ships, the USS Cole, was rammed by terrorists while refueling in Aden, Yemen, in October 2000, killing 17 sailors.

The Paul Hamilton is equipped with radar systems designed to detect seaborne and airborne threats at great distances. It is armed with Harpoon anti-ship missiles, Tomahawk land-attack cruise missiles and Standard anti-aircraft missiles.


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To: luv2ndamend
The ship's insignia has stars and a crescent but that didn't help.
41 posted on 12/06/2002 10:40:22 PM PST by Consort
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To: JasonC
Um, those are its various secondary armaments. The main weapon system is a 96 cell "standard" missle system that can blow away scores of targets within 50 miles, air or surface. It gets close to small ships when it is doing so on purpose, not the other way around.

I've never served in the Navy. What I know of the ship comes from the US Navy website, and playing Harpoon and Jane's Fleet Defense. I am still fairly certain of a few things.
1. The maximum range of a Tomahawk ASM is at least 200nm and that of a Harpoon 1C is 60nm.
2. The Arleigh Burke class has two sets of VLS, one with 61 tubes and one with 37. That is 98 possible weapons. It also can carry 8 harpoons in mounted quad tubes.
3. A naval commander would use none of these weapons when dealing with a small boat at less than 1 mile. To ward of or sink that ship, he would use the secondary armament.
4. f you will remember the USS Cole wasalmost sunk by a small boat. I don't think that the commander of the Cole had that intention.
42 posted on 12/07/2002 12:26:22 AM PST by rmlew
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To: rmlew
The VLS (vertical launch system) is the main armament (the number varies slightly with the model, but 90+ for an Aegis destroyer). In addition to Tomahawks for land attack (with 600+ mile range), it carries the Standard missle. The Standard was originally designed as a SAM, and that is still its main function. (Aegis boats are all designed primarily to defend the fleet from incoming missles and such). But these days they can hit just about anything, in the air or on the surface, at sea or ashore. The effective range is 50-100 miles, the warhead is about the size of that on a Harpoon, the unit cost is considerably less than a Tomahawk, and it gets there a heck of a lot faster.

Yes, against a small boat close by, you'd use the 5 inch gun. It is cheaper and sufficient. I was merely correcting your list because it left out the main weapon system of the ship, one fully capable of handling even large numbers of small boats simultaneously at range. Because others (not you) seem to be worried about lots of small suicide craft overloading our ships, as though we lack any counter to get a ton of them before they get close. Not so. The escorts around a carrier collectively field thousands of VLS missle cells, each of which can independently target a small surface target long before it gets close enough to hurt anything, and blow it out of the water.

Of course, when you are inspecting them, you get close on purpose. And rules of engagement can be too lax (which was the problem in the widely publicized war games over the summer), with the fleet just not using its longer range weapons for lack of authorization or poor judgement of hostile intent, etc. But there is no physical incapacity of the weaponry - which someone might easily have concluded from your prior post, because it left out the VLS and its capability. That was the only reason for my correction.

43 posted on 12/07/2002 1:35:40 AM PST by JasonC
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To: El Gato
Wich is why I said ALMOST of the opinion. I was alllowing for other possiblities.

The fact is though, that ship shouldnt have gotten anywhere near the iranian vessel. They should have sent smalller zodiacs out to meet it. You do not put a multimillion dollar ship and the lives of 400+ crew at risk if you dont have to.
44 posted on 12/07/2002 8:38:01 AM PST by myself6
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Perhaps it was a PT boat....
45 posted on 12/07/2002 8:48:56 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: luv2ndamend
Another CO, OOD, helmsman, quartermaster, and leading chief are now looking for other jobs. How can a nimble, well-armed ship like a Burke get rammed?
46 posted on 12/07/2002 9:25:25 AM PST by pabianice
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To: luv2ndamend
Rundown on the missile Vertical Launch System aboard Burke-class DDGs at www.navlog.org.

47 posted on 12/07/2002 9:31:12 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice
Thanks for the link. Could not but help to post this.
48 posted on 12/07/2002 9:42:02 AM PST by luv2ndamend
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To: luv2ndamend
Wow, that's Freudian. Think I'll make it my screensaver.
49 posted on 12/07/2002 10:27:52 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: pabianice
Didn't see what you were referring to on that page, actually. Here are some info sources -

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/mk-41-vls.htm

See in particular the schematics at the bottom showing the various missle load options in the VLS. The rest of the FAS site has loads of info on various systems, including the various missles that can go in the VLS tubes.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/missiles/wep-stnd.html

Likewise for the rest of that navy site, if you poke around a bit.

Here is a quote from the second, about the Standard missile -

"In more than a thousand firings over the past two decades, SM-2 consistently has demonstrated effective performance against targets from surface ships to helicopters, manned aircraft, and cruise missiles, from very low to very high altitudes and from stationary to supersonic speeds, under a variety of weather conditions, and across a spectrum of stressing electronic countermeasures environments."

The basic idea of Aegis is to couple advanced radar, target tracking computers, the VLS launch system, and large numbers of Standard missiles - or others that go in the VLS where more appropriate - on every major surface combatant. Then each of them can handle scores of threats from incoming missles to planes to surface ships, and collectively a group of them utterly dominate a whole "battle space" hundreds of miles across around every task force.

The Standard is continually being upgraded for new roles. These days the latest ones are high altitude theater ballistic missle defense (the IVA model), and GPS guided land attack out to about 200 miles range (LASM).

51 posted on 12/07/2002 10:55:35 AM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC
It's at www.navlog.org. Look for article "NEWS! Ticonderoga-class CGs Get Enhanced Missile Capability." The Burkes are getting the same VLS.
52 posted on 12/07/2002 12:30:23 PM PST by pabianice
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To: luv2ndamend; El Gato
Please note: The above article did not have the information that you posted, Just speculation. Thanks for your input!

Please note - wild ass speculation is the norm here. If El Gato had waited three more posts, someone would have guessed it was hit by a SAM .... or is that only EVERY time an airplane falls out of the sky?

53 posted on 12/07/2002 12:39:42 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: HiTech RedNeck; El Gato
Well gee, that still isn't acceptable. Suppose a nice "Iranian" ship comes up and dutifully drops its anchor next to the battleship for an inspection, and then as the inspectors board, kaboom, taking the battleship with it? A nice little suitcase nuke on board would produce quite a pyrotechnic display.

SEE the nuts do come out soon! A suitcase nuke wasted on a destroyer! R O F L M A O!

I suppose the answer is to stop doing those pesky inspections.

54 posted on 12/07/2002 12:43:19 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Sir, The article did not mention the details of why or how it was hit.Please note - wild ass speculation is the norm here. Life is full of speculations. Why must you be-little what people think?
55 posted on 12/07/2002 12:55:47 PM PST by luv2ndamend
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To: luv2ndamend
Why must you be-little what people think?

Sir, I do not belittle what people think .... I belittle people who don't think. I'm a Curmudgeon, it's my job, and besides, so many people make it so easy!

56 posted on 12/07/2002 1:34:40 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
I can't read terrorist minds. The problem is not the inspections silly, it's that the Iranian ship got too close, way too close, to the destroyer. I don't know exactly what an Islamokamikaze terrorist would consider to be the ultimate "statement," but as far as effectiveness in generating consternation in America, surely going kerblooie (nuke or conventional) next to an American battleship after a supposedly successful inspection would be fairly high on their list.
57 posted on 12/07/2002 7:00:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I will continue this right after you figure out there are no American battleships!
58 posted on 12/07/2002 9:36:27 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Bwahahahahahahaha!
59 posted on 12/08/2002 12:17:10 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Yeehaw
60 posted on 12/08/2002 12:38:15 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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