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To: tpaine
We have to have a Constitution because not all of the principles are undeniable truths which are not subject to interpretation or debate. Essentially, it's a contract between the states, and as such it can be amended.

Can it be amended to take away some or all of fundamental individual liberties? Sure, if it gathers the necessary support to meet the hurdle required.

I think I would argue that the Founding Fathers would say that if it reaches that point, the people are entitled, and maybe even morally required, to overthrow the tyrants that caused that to happen. But it wouldn't be because an amendment was "unconstitutional." It would be because the Constitution no longer protects liberty.

52 posted on 12/06/2002 4:22:31 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
We have to have a Constitution because not all of the principles are undeniable truths which are not subject to interpretation or debate.

Which of its principles do you wish to claim are not 'undeniable truths'?

Essentially, it's a contract between the states, and as such it can be amended.

It's a permanent contract between the people & government, and can be amended within constitutional bounds. Fundamental rights cannot be violated in such amendments, imo.

Can it be amended to take away some or all of fundamental individual liberties? Sure, if it gathers the necessary support to meet the hurdle required.

Why would you, [or anyone] support such a violation of liberty?

I think I would argue that the Founding Fathers would say that if it reaches that point, the people are entitled, and maybe even morally required, to overthrow the tyrants that caused that to happen. But it wouldn't be because an amendment was "unconstitutional." It would be because the Constitution no longer protects liberty.

Exactly Marshalls point, without your reservation: -- "it wouldn't be because an amendment was "unconstitutional." -- I can't 'get' your reasoning about that.

60 posted on 12/06/2002 4:51:26 PM PST by tpaine
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