Scientific Breakthrough Liberates Energy Users from Fossil Fuel Dependence

Genesis World Energy ^ | 12/05/2002

[RightWhale]

does it take more energy to refine or break down water into it's basic elements than the amount of energy produced by the end product.

Energy is conserved. It's the Law.

[Rocky]

Besides the energy-for-nothing flaw, I really like the part about putting the hydrogen right into your natural gas lines at home. It would make for some exciting times at the stove. When pure hydrogen burns, the flame is not visible. And if you have a hydrogen leak, you wouldn't know it until you heard "boom", unless you added a scenting agent like they do with natural gas. (Adding a scenting agent at each home could introduce some comical results as well.)

And then I suppose the "e-cell" produces 120v, 60 cycle power, right? And no rotating equipment except a small pump. No generator?

Quick, someone send this to the Democratic leadership. This could be fun.

[The Raven]

Looks like some folks got tired of making crop circles.

[The Raven]

Others have used water for energy!!!

[PatrickHenry]

Here are two examples of the classic perpetual motion machine. It's usually done with weights, or ball bearings, or a water wheel. A few hundred of these are undoubtedly being worked on right now, even as we speak. Always, this work is done in the basement:

[Badger1]

Two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen is a damn good fuel

You are partially right. Hydrogen is a fuel and oxygen is an oxidizer. Energy is released (as heat) when you combine a fuel (Hydrogen, gasoline, natural gas, wood, etc.) with an oxidizer (Oxygen, Fluorine, Chlorine, etc.). This is called an exothermic reaction (a reaction that releases heat). The reason heat is released is because the product of the reaction (H₂O) has less energy than the individual reactants do (H₂ and O). Burning fossil fuels is also an exothermic reaction (C₈H₁₈ + 12.5O₂ = 8CO₂ + 9H₂O). Any machine that generates power does so by using the exothermic process of burning fuel. And all fuels have been created by adding energy that is eventually released when the fuel is burned. For example, fossil fuels and natural gas had energy created from the sun thru photosynthesis and the heat and pressure of the Earth.

Breaking water down into H₂ and O is an endothermic process (a process that consumes energy) and requires an input of energy. By the law of conservation of energy, recombining H₂ and O into H₂O releases exactly the same energy as was input to separate them. There is no way to generate energy from an endothermic process.

Genesis World Energy claims they have created a device that uses water as a fuel and outputs hydrogen gas and energy. To understand why this is a perpetual motion machine, imagine that the machine does not output hydrogen gas, but instead recombines and recycles 100% of the water it has broken down and outputs only energy. This machine would never need to be re-supplied with fuel (H₂O, which of course is not a fuel) but would output energy forever.

If you still do not understand why this device cannot possibly meet the claims it is making, do a little research on perpetual motion machines on the web.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

That's a cute rendition of the M.C. Escher drawing:

Here's my favorite:

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Do you need an Excedrin after that HTML formatting session?

[Badger1]

Do you need an Excedrin after that HTML formatting session?

Actually, it was just a lot of cut & paste.

But I do need Excedrin because I can't understand why anybody would think the claims Genesis World Energy are making could possible be true.

I guess the expression "you can't get something for nothing" has been completely forgotten.

[IronJack]

If Bill hadn't met Hillary, he'd probably still be in Little Rock eking out a living by selling stuff like this.

Yeah, but as greasy as he is, he'd probably be making a good living at it.

[steve-b]

True. He'd have to move around to stay one jump ahead of the bunko squad, but he'd probably be a more effective scammer than these jokers.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

I guess the expression "you can't get something for nothing" has been completely forgotten.

Not completely. There are a lot of folks that adhere to the TANSTAAFL rule.

[Badger1]

There are a lot of folks that adhere to the TANSTAAFL rule

Except in todays world, there is such a thing as a free lunch. Its called the School Lunch Program.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Ya' got me there.

[Jimbaugh]

WOW ! ! !

[Dan Day]

At the same time, a thermo, electro-catalytic reaction creates an effect similar to that of magnets with opposing polarities,

As opposed to what, all those magnetic monopoles they have stashed away in the warehouse?

[chipotle]

The discussion of this story in Free Republic as the earliest, and the only forum where I've seen GWE (or Guy-Rome) respond. For the last few months, a few people have tried to make sense of GWE's claims. No. They still do not make sense. The most notble coverage of GWE has been from Bob Park at the American Physical Society http://www.aps.org/WN/WN03/wn011703.html#2, the most vitriolic has been from Mr. Hydrogen http://www.hydrogen.org.au/genesis%20world%20energy.htm, and the most extensive, outside this forum, from me http://members.cox.net/john.lichtenstein/.

If you want an update on the story, come read my coverage.

If you have spoken with GWE or representitives regarding licensing, I would appreciate information on how the licensing plan will work. I have not figured out how the licensees are supposed to be robbed ^H^H^H^H^H^H capitalized. Also, I would be interested to know if there are any investors from outside the New York - Philly corridor.