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To: Sir Gawain
Then they are ignoring the Koran. Don't sound like very religious people to me.

Really? Ignoring commands to kill other people sounds very religious to me.

Some "Christians" think I'm going to hell because I drink. Should I be more afraid of American Muslims who ignore parts of the Koran, or of Christians who want to put me in hell because I drink a glass of Cabernet with dinner?

97 posted on 12/05/2002 5:02:14 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Really? Ignoring commands to kill other people sounds very religious to me.

If you're ignoring the very writing claiming to come down from your God, then that's not being religious, no matter what god you worship.

Some "Christians" think I'm going to hell because I drink. Should I be more afraid of American Muslims who ignore parts of the Koran, or of Christians who want to put me in hell because I drink a glass of Cabernet with dinner?

At least the Christians that disagree with you don't issue a fatwah against you.

105 posted on 12/05/2002 5:08:34 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: sinkspur; All; 2sheep; Thinkin' Gal; RnMomof7; Jeremiah Jr

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q; 2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (Q; 9:123), slay them (Q; 9:5), fight with them, (Q; 8:65 ). It tells its followes to humiliate the Christians and the Jews and impose on them a penalty tax (Q; 9:29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tells clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q;3:85). It relegates those who disbelieve in it it to hell  (Q;5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q;9:28) and orders the Muslims to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q;2:193). Quran states that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q;14:17); it asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, and expel them from the land with disgrace and that “they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter” (Q;5:34). It says that for the disbelievers "garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods” (Q;22:19). Quran prohibits Muslims to befriend their own brothers and fathers if they are non-believers (Q;9:23), (Q;3:28). It asks the Muslims to “strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor (Q;25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q;66:9).  The holy Prophet demanded his followers to “strike off the heads of the disbelievers”; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” for ransom (Q;47:4). 

111 posted on 12/05/2002 5:15:24 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: sinkspur
No one can put you in Hell. Why would you say that someone has that kind of power. Only you have that power.

1 Timothy 2:4  Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5  For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man
Christ Jesus;
6  Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
7  Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

Acts 16:30  And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31  And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

298 posted on 12/05/2002 8:11:39 PM PST by Jael
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