Bush Marks End of Ramadan, Visits Mosque (Islam brings hope and comfort)

ap ^ | 12/5/2002 | SCOTT LINDLAW

[Mr. Mojo]

"The spirit behind this holiday is a reminder that Islam brings hope and comfort to more than 1 billion people worldwide,"

And fear and loathing to the other 5 billion.

[jws3sticks]

[Zack Nguyen]

I do not see where the Constitution says that our political leaders are expected to publicly regard all religions as inherently equal. Equal protection, yes. Inherently equal, no. That idea leads to all sorts of unpleasantries. If your statement is true, then no politician should ever, under any circumstances, use a Biblical principle as a basis for legislation or governing, or publicly state that what he believes. To do so might insinuate that Christianity is superior to other religions, and would therefore violate the first amendment in your view.

None of the Founding Fathers, even the non-Christian ones, would have agreed that political leaders must adhere to this. Christian services were held in various government offices, including the Capitol. As I said before, Congress even appropriated money for the printing of Bibles. States were allowed to have official state-funded churches.

[Jhoffa_]

I do not see where the Constitution says that our political leaders are expected to publicly regard all religions as inherently equal.

No, no..

By no means.. Equal before the law.

[ApesForEvolution]

Integrity means that in an open discourse, it remains open, unless of course one is ashamed to post in public that which they truly hold in their heart. Shame is taking one's argument suddenly out of the public domain and berating someone privately. Sink will receive no apology and you, well, you have a nice day.

[CWRWinger]

Unless you want to live in the Christian equivalant of Iran.

Bad analogy.

Bush is elevating a religion of hate to places it's never been before. He will reap what he sows.

BTW, I doubt if you would have liked early America. But that's what it takes to found a great nation and maintain it.

[McGavin999]

He's not elevating a religion of hate. He's attempting to strengthen the moderate half and help them to win the war within their own religion against the Islamists.

During the inquisition period, I'm sure there were a lot of people who thought Christianity was evil too since the clergy were responsible for the burning, beating, and torture of thousands and thousands of innocent people. But Christianity underwent a reformation. It's time for a reformation of the muslim religion too. Bush is attempting to help the good guys win.

By condemning the entire religion, you rip hope from the hearts of those who are attempting to bring about a change.

[F16Fighter]

"He's [Bush] not elevating a religion of hate. He's attempting to strengthen the moderate half and help them to win the war within their own religion against the Islamists."

"Moderate half"?? We wish...

And why is it when referring to 'Islam' the only catagories recognized are either 'radical' or 'moderate'? Isn't there a third and thus more innocuous "peace loving" version of Islam? If there indeed is, I would assume that percentage is miniscule.

[McGavin999]

Well, the peace loving version is what WE call moderate, not what THEY call moderate. It's probably a lot larger then you think, they just have no way of communicating that to the rest of the world.

It's pretty tough to speak out when the media isn't paying any attention to you, and especially hard when the bad guys have the guns and you don't. (Interesting note: England is beginning to understand what happens when the thugs have guns and the people don't)

We are learning that fact by what's happening in Iran right now with the students and the people finally beginning to stand up after 20 years under Islamic rule. If you get the opportunity, read some of the Iran List threads that have been posted here. You will find significant reason for hope.

[F16Fighter]

"The peace loving version is what WE call moderate, not what THEY call moderate. It's probably a lot larger then you think, they just have no way of communicating that to the rest of the world...It's pretty tough to speak out when the media isn't paying any attention to you..."

The White House would be MORE than happy to provide as much a platform as these "moderates" need. Any bigger stage than that? And Dubya himself would be willing set up the mikes personally. Since we have heard little from the so-called Moslem "moderates" thus far, I for one question it's numbers.

"We are learning that fact by what's happening in Iran right now with the students and the people finally beginning to stand up after 20 years under Islamic rule. If you get the opportunity, read some of the Iran List threads that have been posted here. You will find significant reason for hope."

I concur, Iran is the best chance for secular democracy to one day control a traditional Islamic country. There happen to be many who remember the pseudo-freedom they enjoyed under the Shah...

[CWRWinger]

He's not elevating a religion of hate.

Bush most certainly is. In a new age sort of way, he's saying "I'm okay, you're okay.", which is pure juvenile nonsense.

BTW, everytime Bush eulogizes the religion of hate, a natural disaster takes place in the USA. Look at the chronology of the tornados (88 total in one day) and this last ice storm which caused the worst power outage in Duke Power's history. All immediately after Bush did things to side with islam. Bush had better stop messing with Israel and stop siding with the muslims or we're in for more.

Better write your buddy Bush and ask him to stop it.

[Kay Soze]

"George II has sold conservatives out on something much more serious: the question of whether the hideous ideology of cultural Marxism, more commonly known as "Political Correctness" or "multiculturalism," will reign over America in the 21st Century." Sorry, But George W. Bush is No Conservative

Did he go to the mosque after he wihsed everyone a Happy Kwanza?

My 1964 Barry Goldwater Remco Election doll is weeping.

Is the republican party still conservative or just closer than the "other" party?