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Bush Marks End of Ramadan, Visits Mosque (Islam brings hope and comfort)
ap ^ | 12/5/2002 | SCOTT LINDLAW

Posted on 12/05/2002 3:37:52 PM PST by TLBSHOW

By SCOTT LINDLAW, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - With Muslims worldwide growing more suspicious of the United States, President Bush (news - web sites) marked the end of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan with a visit Thursday to a mosque.

"The spirit behind this holiday is a reminder that Islam brings hope and comfort to more than 1 billion people worldwide," Bush said. "Islam affirms God's justice and insists on man's moral responsibility."

Bush left his shoes at the door, in keeping with the practice of the Islamic Center of Washington, a national center for Muslim culture and prayer. He also had visited six days after the terrorist attacks last year.

Back then, with a surge in hate crimes against Muslims in the United States, Bush was trying to defuse Americans' anger against Islam. Today, he has a different problem — increased hostility by Muslims around the world against America.

In an international survey released Wednesday, the Pew Global Attitudes Project found the image of the United States is slipping worldwide, and particularly in Middle Eastern countries with large Muslim populations. Large percentages of Muslim respondents in several countries said they believe suicide bomb attacks are a justifiable defense of Islam.

On Wednesday, Bush blamed America's tarnished image among Muslims on "propaganda machines (that) are cranked up in the international community that paints our country in a bad light."

The growing animosity comes at a time when Bush is trying to rally the world against terrorism and gather allies for possible military action against Iraq.

Inside the ornate mosque, Bush offered an explanation of the Muslim feast of Eid al-Fitr, which marks the end of Ramadan, and renewed his defense of Islam.

Bush's speech was directed to a national and international audience. There was virtually no one inside except journalists and his staff. A few mosque officials stood next to Bush as he spoke.

"Over the past month, Muslims have fasted, taking no food or water during daylight hours, in order to refocus their minds on faith and redirect their hearts to charity," Bush said.

"Muslims worldwide have stretched out a hand of mercy to those in need, charity tables at which the poor can break their fast line the streets of cities and towns, and gifts of food and clothing and money are distributed to ensure that all share in God's abundance," he said.

From the Muslim event, Bush officially opened the Christmas season at the White House by lighting a Christmas tree just outside the gates.


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KEYWORDS: bush; islam; muslims; terrorist
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To: Miss Marple
"The suspicion of Muslims (which is understandable given the last year and a half) is perilously close to descending into religious bigotry."

"People should also understand the practical difficulties of declaring a war on a faith that has one billion people as adherents."

I hardly think that asking for more public condemnation, and showing more public support of the country who affords them the wonderful freedoms they enjoy, is hardly "perilously close to descending into religious bigotry" or "declaring war on a faith."

By the way, an interesting tidbit from NRO yesterday...

"For in the grand statistical overview of the present day world, Islam is expanding by its birth-rate alone, it is not making many converts; whereas, paradoxically, it is Christianity that is now spreading like wildfires from many different centres in the Third World, both by birth-rate and by conversion."

The Coming Islamic Implosion
(halfway down the page)

261 posted on 12/05/2002 7:30:28 PM PST by Darling Lili
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To: Captainpaintball
I will go on record saying that he knows little about his own religion...what can he possibly know about Islam, other than what the Saudi Royals tell him?

Well since we are questioning the president's religious convictions let's test yours. Do you believe as the Muslims believe that each are destined for hell?

262 posted on 12/05/2002 7:31:46 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: IronJack
Bad Taco fouled that thread---made it hard to have a serious discussion about serious issues, so I'll post it here:

National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice Lauds Muslim Women for Work in Human Rights

The Associated Press



W A S H I N G T O N, Dec. 4 — National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice praised a group of Muslim female lawyers Wednesday for their work in human rights, saying their efforts were vital in helping those oppressed by religious bias around the globe.

She told about 60 members of Karamah that the human rights organization "is a constant reminder that millions of Muslims contribute to all walks of American life from education to science, law, business, public service."

Karamah educates people about Islam and advocates Muslim women's rights.

Calling Islam a great religion, Rice said people should not be treated unfairly because of their skin color, ethnic background or religious faith.

She noted there are many struggles under way around the world, including the fight against terrorism.

"As human beings we know that on every continent, in every culture, people given the choice between tyranny and peace, will choose peace," she said.

Rice said that democracy requires constant work, adding that it has been a continuous struggle even in the United States to live up to all the principles of democracy

"Democracy is a journey not a destination," Rice told them after a feast-breaking dinner during Ramadan. Marked by fasting from sunrise to sunset, Ramadan ended Wednesday.

Rice was presented with the Quran, the Muslim holy book.

President Bush planned to give an address Thursday at an Islamic center in Washington.



263 posted on 12/05/2002 7:32:02 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Keyes For President
but won't witness to the Truth which he claims to believe?

He has done that more than any president in modern history so what you are saying is a lie.

264 posted on 12/05/2002 7:33:41 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Keyes For President
But why does he insist on promoting the religion of Islam but won't witness to the Truth which he claims to believe?

He goes to a Mosque twice a year, and to his Christian Church every Sunday. How is that "promoting the religion of Islam?"

He doesn't seem to hesitate attending Islamic events and preaching the "vitrues" of Islam.

You didn't see the Christmas Tree lighting ceremony, did you? He talked about "Him who was born in a humble stable."

To contend that Bush doesn't proclaim his Christianity is laughable. You know better than that.

265 posted on 12/05/2002 7:33:43 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: F16Fighter
"And of course in your judgement the best way to reorganize the Muslim world is to start a holy war with all half a billion Muslims just because some or most don't call you friend."

Take a deeeep breath. Now turn back the clock to 9/11 and assess what's happened since... Wouldn't you rather spin your equation with a sense of actual history?

"...Deeep breath..., turn back the clock....spin your equation...", blah blah.

If your sense of post-9/11 history was actual, why would *not* describe it in your post when trying to make a point?

266 posted on 12/05/2002 7:34:09 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Texasforever
Let's put that to a test. If a "Christian" group is motivated by their religion starts shooting abortion doctors and bombing abortion clinics should all Christians be hunted down and killed?

Your analogies usually make a lot more sense than this drivel. This one is outright goofy.

267 posted on 12/05/2002 7:36:37 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
Your analogies usually make a lot more sense than this drivel. This one is outright goofy.

What is "goofy" about it? Explain.

268 posted on 12/05/2002 7:38:07 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
You do know that Islam is the enemy and Bush tonight was mistaken to give this cult of death even one minute of his time. And Powell needs to go.
269 posted on 12/05/2002 7:40:25 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: F16Fighter
I just hope they don't have photographs of him sitting on some rug with his shoes off, while others are chanting Ramalama-dingdong.
270 posted on 12/05/2002 7:42:12 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: FreeReign
I don't need a government official, a president to tell me that Jesus is the way. Why do you need the government to tell you such?

Do you need a government official, a president telling you that Islam is a great religion, a religion of peace and a source of comfort?

I don't need the government to tell me anything about religion. Why doesn't the president refrain from promoting Islam? Why does he choose to continue to comment on religion--Islam?

All Christians, regardless of their profession or position in life, are called to be witnesses for Christ. The government shouldn't be involved in religion, but Christians in government still can publicly practice their religion as individuals. Now since President Bush has demonstrated his willingness to make public declarations about religion, I don't see why he wouldn't witness to the Truth in which he professses to believe.

What else do you need the government to do for you?

A lot less than they're doing for (to) us now! I wish the government would end it's involvement in prescription drug plans, government schools, etc.

271 posted on 12/05/2002 7:42:13 PM PST by Keyes For President
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To: FreeReign
"blah blah... If your sense of post-9/11 history was actual, why would *not* describe it in your post when trying to make a point?

Wait...Give me a minute to set up my babblefish software...

272 posted on 12/05/2002 7:44:09 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Texasforever

Let's take your example one step further.

I am both Christian and Pro-Life.

Am I honor bound to publicly denounce these people? I mean, do I owe it to society, or their victims or someone to say, take out a newspaper ad to ensure that everyone knows how much I hate them?

And what if I am indifferent to the killing? Does that mean I should be punished along with them, though I wasn't involved?

Even worse, what if I think they did right to kill those abortion doctors because I agree with their interpretation of the religion, but I had no part in their crime. Does the Constitution still protect me?

273 posted on 12/05/2002 7:45:02 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"I just hope they don't have photographs of him sitting on some rug with his shoes off, while others are chanting Ramalama-dingdong."

Curiously enough, I would find that scenario acceptable ;-)

274 posted on 12/05/2002 7:46:44 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Torie
I think Arabs dislike only polyphonic music. They certainly have music. Muslims elsewhere seem to like music in general. I have seen Muslims dance, including belly dancers.

I think you are confusing Muslims with Arabs. In fact, there are more non-Arab Muslims than Arab Muslims, and many Arabs are not Muslims, and do certainly enjoy that music we recognize as Middle Eastern.

The Muslim religion flatly condemns music in the usual sense, and those who endulge their very normal desire to enjoy music are defying Muslims sharia law.

Hank

275 posted on 12/05/2002 7:46:46 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: EternalVigilance
Condoleezza Rice Lauds Muslim Women for Work in Human Rights

what is the problem with these people?

276 posted on 12/05/2002 7:46:49 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Publius6961; IronJack
What a condescending as*****.

Perhaps, but assuming the President doesn't know who the enemy is seems a bit condensending to me however.

I have been reading Sun Tzu since I was a teenager, and nowhere in there is there anything about kissing enemy butt.

Right there is noting about kissing enemy butt, but there is a lot about deceiving your enemies, keeping the opponent off balance, creating doubt about your intentions, controlling resources (oil in this case), dividing and conquering... the list goes on. So either the President is a fool or a traitor, or he is waging a war of words as well as the military war.

Your entitled to your opinion, I choose to think that Bush (and Cheney and Rummy) is neither a fool nor a traitor.

277 posted on 12/05/2002 7:46:53 PM PST by Leto
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To: PresbyRev
"Bush should get out of the business of trying to act as America's 'First Theologian.'"

But he seems so knowledgable:

"Inside the ornate mosque, Bush offered an explanation of the Muslim feast of Eid al-Fitr, which marks the end of Ramadan..."
I mean, he's obviously an expert. How else could you explain his visit to a mosque to explain to Muslims exactly what it is they are celebrating?
278 posted on 12/05/2002 7:47:00 PM PST by sheltonmac
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To: Miss Marple
Peaceful? Ask a Muslim girl who is killed by her father for being raped.

Ask a Muslim girl who has had her genitalia sewn shut. That is no religion of peace.

Ask them why they still own slaves in some parts of the world.



279 posted on 12/05/2002 7:47:03 PM PST by Jael
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To: Texasforever
Whoa, Tex. That statement wasn't mine. I'm just an ignorant redneck tryin' tuh unnerstand muh robe-clad brothuhs.
280 posted on 12/05/2002 7:47:15 PM PST by IronJack
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