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Revolutionary New Theory For Origins Of Life On Earth
UK Royal Society ^ | 12/4/2002 | Professor William Martin, Institut fuer Botanik III, University of Dusseldorf and Dr Michael Russell

Posted on 12/04/2002 12:23:13 PM PST by forsnax5

A totally new and highly controversial theory on the origin of life on earth, is set to cause a storm in the science world and has implications for the existence of life on other planets.

Research* by Professor William Martin of the University of Dusseldorf and Dr Michael Russell of the Scottish Environmental Research Centre in Glasgow, claims that living systems originated from inorganic incubators - small compartments in iron sulphide rocks. The new theory radically departs from existing perceptions of how life developed and it will be published in Philosophical Transactions B, a learned journal produced by the Royal Society.

Since the 1930s the accepted theories for the origins of cells and therefore the origin of life, claim that chemical reactions in the earth's most ancient atmosphere produced the building blocks of life - in essence - life first, cells second and the atmosphere playing a role.

Professor Martin and Dr Russell have long had problems with the existing hypotheses of cell evolution and their theory turns traditional views upside down. They claim that cells came first. The first cells were not living cells but inorganic ones made of iron sulphide and were formed not at the earth's surface but in total darkness at the bottom of the oceans. Life, they say, is a chemical consequence of convection currents through the earth's crust and in principle, this could happen on any wet, rocky planet.

Dr Russell says: "As hydrothermal fluid - rich in compounds such as hydrogen, cyanide, sulphides and carbon monoxide - emerged from the earth's crust at the ocean floor, it reacted inside the tiny metal sulphide cavities. They provided the right microenvironment for chemical reactions to take place. That kept the building blocks of life concentrated at the site where they were formed rather than diffusing away into the ocean. The iron sulphide cells, we argue, is where life began."

One of the implications of Martin and Russell's theory is that life on our planet, even on other planets or some large moons in our own solar system, might be much more likely than previously assumed.

The research by Professor Martin and Dr Russell is backed up by another paper The redox protein construction kit: pre-last universal common+ ancestor evolution of energy-conserving enzymes by F. Baymann, E. Lebrun, M. Brugna, B. Schoepp-Cothenet, M.-T. Giudici-Orticoni & W. Nitschke which will be published in the same edition.

*On the origins of cells: a hypothesis for the evolutionary transitions from abiotic geochemistry to chemoautotrophic prokaryotes, and from prokaryotes to nucleated cells by Professor William Martin, Institut fuer Botanik III, University of Dusseldorf and Dr Michael Russell, Scottish Environmental Research Centre, Glasgow.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abiogenesis; crevolist; life
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To: forsnax5; gore3000; AndrewC
"...life first, cells second..."

Uh huh...

21 posted on 12/04/2002 1:08:20 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: forsnax5
Thanks, forsnax5!

The related news story in Nature Science Update is fun as well.

"I think it's a beautiful thing - it's important to have all-embracing theories," says evolutionary biologist Ford Doolittle of Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada. We'll never have much definite information on the origin of life, he says. "But then, just because we'll never know why the Roman Empire fell doesn't mean it isn't worth talking about."

22 posted on 12/04/2002 1:13:04 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: forsnax5
living systems originated from inorganic incubators - small compartments in iron sulphide rocks.

A great scientific mystery has been solved!!!

Why so many people seem to have "rocks" in their heads.

23 posted on 12/04/2002 1:19:54 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: forsnax5
Thanks for the heads up!
24 posted on 12/04/2002 1:21:15 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: PatrickHenry
Of course you know that Pope Gore MMM refuted this theory even before it was proposed, don't you?
25 posted on 12/04/2002 1:28:00 PM PST by Junior
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To: AndrewC
Iron sulphide(sulfide) AKA Fool's Gold. Guy Fawkes Day (British April Fools Day) is November 5. What's the date of this paper?
26 posted on 12/04/2002 1:29:31 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
"They have... lost---a big one."

"They're like Napoleon's army in Moscow. They have occupied a lot of territory, and they think they've won the war. And yet they are very exposed in a hostile climate with a population that's very much unfriendly."

"That's the case with the Darwinists in the United States. The majority of the people are skeptical of the theory. And if the theory starts to waver a bit, it could all collapse, as Napoleon's army did in a rout."

27 posted on 12/04/2002 1:34:03 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: forsnax5
I must have missed the part where they explained why the theory cannot be reduced to a laboratory experiment. That's a very important feature of these stories. This one sounds like it's good for the "too many eons of time required" exemption.
28 posted on 12/04/2002 1:44:23 PM PST by beckett
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To: beckett
I must have missed the part where they explained why the theory cannot be reduced to a laboratory experiment.

Here's the reason why. It is not science, at least according to many here. That is due to the "hypothesis" being immune to falsifiability.---

It may be that no theory is going to fit all the evidence. The trick is to pick which bits to ignore, says John Raven of the University of Dundee, UK. "To create a coherent hypothesis we have to say 'this bit of data doesn't fit, but we're going ahead anyway'."

Oops! You say the evidence doesn't support it... Just ignore it.

30 posted on 12/04/2002 1:51:55 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: spinneyhead
Whoever told you that was playing a Guy Fawkes day joke on you.

Maybe they meant the night before GF day.

Before You Can Celebrate the 5th You must have Mischief Night on the 4th!

Is this true?

31 posted on 12/04/2002 1:56:18 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: spinneyhead
If you're interested, I'm trying to sell a bridge....... I know, you're going to tell me Tower Bridge is London Bridge and you can sell it to me. I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a London Bridge today . . .

C'mon plenty of tomfoolery goes on around Fawkes day, despite its serious origins.

32 posted on 12/04/2002 1:57:17 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: forsnax5
One word says it all... "Unbelievable!"/P
It is truly amazing... When you look at these people who come up with these totally stupied theories, they look completely normal. One would never realize by looking at them that they are missing the logic component in their brains.
33 posted on 12/04/2002 2:08:52 PM PST by Tom Thomson
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To: azhenfud
It's the sulphides that tear you up . . . you usually associated with mexican food or vietnamese food
34 posted on 12/04/2002 2:18:48 PM PST by job
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To: Tom Thomson
Why's this theory "stupid?" Looks like the guy put forth a plausible hypothesis, and, as he is an expert in his field, I'm sure he knows a bit more about the subject than you.
35 posted on 12/04/2002 2:25:36 PM PST by Junior
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To: Junior
Looks like the guy put forth a plausible hypothesis, and, as he is an expert in his field, I'm sure he knows a bit more about the subject than you.

You are being overly generous in the opinion of this person(from the Nature link provided by Nebullis)----

Others disagree. "It's quite impossible that it could be right," says evolutionary biologist Thomas Cavalier-Smith of the University of Oxford, UK. Bacteria and archaebacteria have got hundreds of genes in common, he says. They share other features, such as the way that they insert proteins into their membranes.

Plausible and impossible are, shall we say, discordant.

36 posted on 12/04/2002 2:33:15 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Your quote doesn't make your point. It appears the guy quoted is agreeing with me.
37 posted on 12/04/2002 2:36:27 PM PST by Junior
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To: Junior
Okay, you must have a personal reading of Others disagree. "It's quite impossible that it could be right.."
38 posted on 12/04/2002 2:43:20 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Tired old eyes. I misread it as "quite possible." I need to see an optometrist.

BTW, there is an old adage about scientists claiming something is "impossible" ...

39 posted on 12/04/2002 2:45:56 PM PST by Junior
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To: Junior
Ah, now you've permitted the start of a mini-thread of at least 300 posts, debating about whether one guy's quote says what you claim it says, and all the while the thrust of the lead article gets ignored in the resulting dustcloud.
40 posted on 12/04/2002 2:45:59 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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