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To: robertpaulsen
Any laws written for special status based on ones chosen behavior are indeed special rights, everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.

I think it makes him more of a Libertarian than the tongue-twisting Liberaltarian.

You say tomato and I say Liberal, not an ounce of difference between the two.

20 posted on 12/04/2002 9:53:34 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
I hate to bring a little stink bomb to your party, but liberals support government programs in almost every area of social behavior. Libertarians support liberty and personal responsibility. They are almost polar opposites. You however believe in government controls in people's private lives for the "good of society." Intelligent people would say you are closer to being a liberal. But you know this don't you. You're not as cute as you think you are.
74 posted on 12/04/2002 6:52:07 PM PST by breakem
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Some thoughts on libertarians:

Morality must be upheld in a Republic for it to survive. The govt. should not need to have a LARGE
role in it unless it gets out of hand; the govt. had a limited role in morality early in the country because
the PEOPLE controlled themselves largely. But, the govt. still had a role to protect the morality of the
people because without it, the Republic will fall.

Samuel Adams
Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people
whose manners are universally corrupt."
William V. Wells, The Life and Public Service of Samuel Adams (Boston: Little, Brown, & Co., 1865),
Vol. I, p. 22, quoting from a political essay by Samuel Adams published in The Public Advertiser, 1749.

James McHenry
Signer of the Constitution

"[P]ublic utility pleads most forcibly for the general distribution of the Holy Scriptures. The doctrine
they preach, the obligations they impose, the punishment they threaten, the rewards they promise, the
stamp and image of divinity they bear, which produces a conviction of their truths, can alone secure to
society, order and peace, and to our courts of justice and constitutions of government, purity, stability
and usefulness. In vain, without the Bible, we increase penal laws and draw entrenchments around our
institutions. Bibles are strong entrenchments. Where they abound, men cannot pursue wicked courses,
and at the same time enjoy quiet conscience."
Bernard C. Steiner, One Hundred and Ten Years of Bible Society Work in Maryland, 1810-1920
(Maryland Bible Society, 1921), p. 14.

Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence

"[O]nly a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have
more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin, The Writings of Benjamin Franklin, Jared Sparks, editor (Boston: Tappan,
Whittemore and Mason, 1840), Vol. X, p. 297, April 17, 1787.

"[T]he [federal] government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, and oligarchy,
an aristocracy, or any other despotic or oppressive form so long as there shall remain any virtue in the
body of the people."
George Washington, The Writings of George Washington, John C. Fitzpatrick, editor (Washington: U.
S. Government Printing Office, 1939), Vol. XXIX, p. 410. In a letter to Marquis De Lafayette, February 7,
1788.)

Furthermore, law must be based on morality, at least the issue of property rights, according to John Adams.

"The moment the idea is admitted into society, that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and
that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If "Thou
shalt not covet," and "Thou shalt not steal," were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made
inviolable precepts in every society, before it can be civilized or made free."
John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis
Adams, editor (Boston: Charles C. Little and James Brown, 1851), Vol. VI, p. 9.

The libertarians are gravely mistaken when trying to separate morality from the government.
133 posted on 12/05/2002 5:41:35 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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