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Old And In The Way (Decline and Fall of Europe)
American Enterprise Magazine ^ | December 2002 | Karl Zinsmeister

Posted on 12/04/2002 1:37:10 AM PST by tictoc

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To: tictoc
Bump for future read.
21 posted on 04/05/2003 4:34:01 PM PST by meyer (how do I turn this thing off?)
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To: tictoc
He insisted the seemingly mighty U.S. military was now a hollow force, all flash and no substance.

Someone find this jerkoff's email address. Let's have him back this up NOW.

22 posted on 04/05/2003 4:42:37 PM PST by Timesink (When was the last time YOU remembered we're on Code Orange?)
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To: Timesink
Yes, I too would like to see him eat his words!

Prof. Dr. Reiner Pommerin

pommerin@rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de

23 posted on 04/05/2003 5:00:06 PM PST by tictoc
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To: tictoc
And to think the Democraps in California want make that state's economy and government more "statist" like Europe. These people have to learn everything the hard way!
24 posted on 04/05/2003 5:09:22 PM PST by rimmont
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To: tictoc
At European tax levels, it is impossible to have a large family and maintain a middle-class standard of living, so middle-class couples don't have kids.

Conversely, the Welfare State will subsidize an unlimited number of kids at a "welfare-class" standard of living.

The problem with this is what happens when things break down, there aren't enough middle-class taxpayers to support the welfare-class tax-consumers, and the welfare checks don't come one week

25 posted on 04/05/2003 5:09:36 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (Heavily armed, easily bored, and off my medication)
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To: tictoc
Saving Europe from the Nazis was just a temporary fix for a continent that is and was, bent on self destruction anyway.
26 posted on 04/05/2003 5:13:51 PM PST by rimmont
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To: Diverdogz
IMHO, "Old And In The Way" is one of the finest albums every made.
27 posted on 04/05/2003 5:16:35 PM PST by Fzob (Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
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To: tictoc
"After half a century under the American umbrella, West Europeans have come to believe that their freedom is self-generated. It is by now, they feel, a simple birthright, as natural as the air they breathe. -Exactly, but what will it take to open their eyes?
28 posted on 04/05/2003 5:55:40 PM PST by rimmont
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To: Fzob
Dont Ya hate it when they call us hippies??

I too just luv that music.

29 posted on 04/05/2003 7:15:56 PM PST by mylife
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To: Erasmus
"One final comment. The UK is at one of the great crossroads of her history. She's going to have to choose between EUrope and America. Which way she chooses determines her future, if she is to have one."

Amen. And may she make the right choice.

30 posted on 04/05/2003 7:53:32 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: tictoc; Erasmus; knighthawk
<< And it is by no means just the Germans who are exhibiting hostility toward the U.S.

Even Britain, our supposed "special partner" in Europe, has gotten thoroughly swept up in the resentment game.

I happened to be in London on America's Independence Day this year, and opened the English newspapers to find headlines like this one in the Daily Mirror--"Mourn on the Fourth of July: The USA is now the world's leading rogue state."

Chelsea Clinton, currently pursuing a master's degree at Oxford, and hardly a rabid flag-waver, wrote an article shortly after September 11 complaining that "Every day I encounter some sort of anti-American feeling. Sometimes it's from other students, sometimes it's from a newspaper columnist, sometimes it's from 'peace' demonstrators."

Despite Tony Blair .... more Britons say in the latest polls that they disapprove of America's war on terror than approve it. Today, 53 percent of the British name Europe as their closest ally, compared to a third who choose the U.S. Two decades ago, that was reversed.

When New York City Democrat Ed Koch appeared on a BBC television program at the one-year anniversary of the Twin Towers attacks, he was called a simple-minded buffoon for defending the U.S.

Here is a representative response from the BBC Web site:

"The fact is that one of the reasons why the U.S. got bombed on September 11th was as a result of the U.S.'s heavy-handed and misguided approach in its foreign policy--which has created a lot of anger worldwide."

The Londoner who wrote that has much company across her continent: In a study by the Pew Research Center two months after the attacks, fully 66 percent of a group of European elites stated that Europeans believe it is "good for the U.S. to feel vulnerable. >>

All the Rah Rah bullsh*t in the world -- and God knows it flows deep and wide here at FReeRepublic -- will never convince those of US who constantly travel the world and who every month of the year meet and deal with scores of that sad socialist state's sorry subjects, that even Britain, our supposed "special partner and ally" is not consumed by the same envy-driven hesperophobic hatred and anti-Americanism that eats at Europe's other dead and decadent kleptocracies.

And that consumes about 90% of the rest of the world!
31 posted on 04/06/2003 3:37:34 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny ....)
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To: tictoc
It is more than curious that the article is absent any reference to Spain or Portugal.

You will recall a war council was held in the Portuguese held Azores between the united States of America, Spain, Portugal and England, before bombs began bursting in air - over Baghdad.

32 posted on 04/06/2003 3:48:05 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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BTTT
33 posted on 04/06/2003 3:51:23 AM PDT by Fraulein
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To: Brian Allen
In Europe, even more then in the US, the media is left. In the Netherlands, 80% of the journalists vote leftist parties.
34 posted on 04/06/2003 4:37:29 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: MizSterious; rebdov; Nix 2; green lantern; BeOSUser; Brad's Gramma; dreadme; Turk2; Squantos; ...
If yu got nothing to do on a rainy day, here is a long read (also look at reply #7)

Europe-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

35 posted on 04/06/2003 4:38:23 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: tictoc
I expect that Americans and Europeans will be reasonably amiable. We will vacation and attend college in each other's countries, and (one hopes) trade as easily as Canada and the U.S. do today

Yes, for now and 50 years to come. After that...

36 posted on 04/06/2003 4:40:05 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: tictoc
BTTT.

Very good read.
37 posted on 04/06/2003 5:12:48 AM PDT by machman
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To: knighthawk
Pretty amazing article, recent enough to be relevant, but long enough ago that it appears amazingly prescient with regards to the diplomacy in the run-up to Gulf War II.
38 posted on 04/06/2003 5:30:07 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: knighthawk
Well, that number is consistent, and maybe even lower, than the American one but yet what you say is very much true. I find it very interesting that the best reporting on the war is coming from Britain, at the same time, the BBC is one of the worst, almost as bad as Al-Jazeera. The French and German media still don't have a clue that the emperor is not wearing any clothes.

What an Amen Chorus they are.

39 posted on 04/06/2003 5:49:04 AM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: MadIvan
Excellent article on the future of the EU. Try to talk ol' Tony out of becoming more involved with that cesspool, Ivan. It still isn't too late for Britain to avoid the EUro-trap.
40 posted on 04/06/2003 6:52:41 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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