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Uncle Sam Wants Your Kid

Posted on 12/03/2002 8:06:36 AM PST by strider44

Uncle Sam wants your kid Tuesday, December 3, 2002 Posted: 10:30 AM EST (1530 GMT)

The new law says that schools must give the military the same access to their campuses that businesses and college recruiters enjoy.

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RELATED • U.S. Department of Education

BOSTON, Massachusetts (AP) -- A little-noticed provision in a new federal education law is requiring high schools to hand over to military recruiters some key information about its juniors and seniors: name, address and phone number.

The Pentagon says the information will help it recruit young people to defend their country. But the new law disturbs parents and administrators in some liberal communities that aren't exactly gung-ho about the armed forces.

Some say the law violates students' privacy and creates a moral dilemma over the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays.

"I find it appalling that the school is sending out letters to do the job of the military," said Amy Lang, the parent of a student at Cambridge Rindge and Latin School, where Coke was once banned in a protest against the soda giant's investments in apartheid South Africa. "It's clearly an invasion of my daughter's privacy."

The No Child Left Behind law, signed last January, pumps billions into education but also gives military recruiters access to the names, addresses and phone numbers of students in 22,000 schools. The law also says that schools must give the military the same access to their campuses that businesses and college recruiters enjoy.

School systems that fail to comply could lose federal money. The measure also applies to private schools receiving federal funding. But Quaker schools and others that have a religious objection to military service can get out of the requirement.

Students and parents who oppose the law can keep their information from being turned over to the military, but they must sign and return an "opt-out" form.

Opting out The Boston school system, which has 7,500 juniors and seniors, included the opt-out notice in a take-home student handbook, but fewer than a dozen parents opted out.

So far, 95 percent of the nation's schools are in compliance, said Pentagon spokeswoman Maj. Sandra Troeber. She would not identify the other schools. But Education Department spokesman Dan Langan said that the current focus is on cooperation and that no schools have been sanctioned.

Federal law already requires men to register with the Selective Service within 30 days of turning 18. The new law, however, enables the Pentagon to reach potential recruits when they are 15 or 16.

In New York City, Daniel Alterman was taken aback when his 15-year-old son, a junior at Stuyvesant High, received a recruitment letter.

"Parents are in the dark," Alterman said. "It freaked me out. I didn't sign up to support the military effort."

Alterman said after he opted out, his son received another letter, this one promoting scholarships. "It was very seductive. They didn't say anything about risk to personal safety," Alterman said.

Among those objecting to the new requirements is the New York City chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. Executive director Donna Lieberman said that the opt-out provision is inadequate and that schools should be doing more to protect students' privacy.

In a letter last month, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Education Secretary Rod Paige reminded high school administrators of their duty, and cited "the excellent educational opportunities the military affords, as well as an environment that encourages the development of strong character and leadership skills."

'We had to comply with the law' The Pentagon said better access to students could also hold down the rising costs of recruitment. Over the past decade, the cost per recruit has nearly doubled from $6,500 to $11,600.

Before the law, military recruiters could meet with students in Cambridge and Northampton on campus only if the student sought them out, and then only at a meeting attended by a guidance counselor. But Cambridge held a military career fair at the high school a month ago.

"It's a vast departure from the way we've done business," said Donna Harlan, an associate superintendent in the Northampton school system. "We are not in the business of giving lists of names of kids to anybody. That was tough. The issue was if we were to receive federal or state money, we had to comply with the law."

The law also spelled the end of a 6-year ban on military recruiting on campus in Portland, Oregon. After contending that the "don't ask, don't tell" policy discriminates against gays, the school system now gives recruiters a shot at its 16,000 students.

In Massachusetts, Framingham High senior April Middleton decided over lunch recently that maybe the military is in her future after talking with Army National Guard Sgt. Louis Perrin, a recruiter who visited the cafeteria.

Middleton, 18, said she plans to enlist after she graduates, and the prospect of war has not scared her off. "Sometimes you've got to make sacrifices," she said.

Sometimes, however, recruiters battle hostility.

"One teacher said we were trying to brainwash kids. All we were doing was handing out pencils," Perrin said. "We're not trying to invade anybody's privacy. We're just trying to protect their freedoms."


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1 posted on 12/03/2002 8:06:36 AM PST by strider44
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To: strider44
This is the kind of crap that really makes my blood boil. The righteous indignation is almost too unbelievable to be true. If you don't want you son/daughter to serve then throw the letter away. Acting like it's an affront to your liberty is ridiculous. Once again, my home state of Massachusetts finds a new way to disgust me...
2 posted on 12/03/2002 8:10:48 AM PST by strider44
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To: strider44
I think the recruiters should be allowed on the campuses of schools. We live in a very liberal town and all the fringe groups in the world are allowed at the schools to enlighten our children on their views of the world. We even have had a day where the students could pick to be disabled (wheelchair, blind,mute, or GAY) to help the kids to understand what its like to be different. At least the recruiters are clean cut and remember to brush their teeth on a regular basis.
3 posted on 12/03/2002 8:14:35 AM PST by Cate
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To: strider44
"Parents are in the dark," Alterman said. "It freaked me out. I didn't sign up to support the military effort."

This country has truly forgotten the un-calculable cost it has taken for us to remain a free nation.

Obviously this individual has never been to Arlington.

God forbid we have to re-enact the draft. We might have to hire third-country-nationals to serve in our military like the Kuwaitis do because their too damn good to defend their own country.

Going to the latrine to vomit now...
4 posted on 12/03/2002 8:15:43 AM PST by TSgt
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To: strider44
I would suggest that Massachusettes no longer wishes to be a part of the United States of America.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

5 posted on 12/03/2002 8:18:04 AM PST by harpseal
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To: Cate
Of course I agree. The key point is that the students are never forced to listen to recruiters. If they want to talk to one, they go up to him and talk. There's no "pitch" that everyone is required to here. At least that's how it work when I was in high school. Granted that was back in 1985.
6 posted on 12/03/2002 8:18:37 AM PST by strider44
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To: MikeWUSAF
"This country has truly forgotten the un-calculable cost it has taken for us to remain a free nation."

Well put Mike. It really does boggle the mind. Where I work everyone knows I was a captain in the Army before I started here. The vast majority are very respectful of that, but I still have people come up to me and ask if I can talk their children out of enlisting in the service. They assume since I left the military, I must of hated it or had a good reason to do it, etc. It drives me nuts.
7 posted on 12/03/2002 8:21:44 AM PST by strider44
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To: harpseal
I know it's hard to believe, but once you get past the liberals nut-cased Cambridge, much of the state is OK. You can usually trust us Irish Catholics to be sturdy, patriotic, and proud. Unfortunately, a few bad apples taint the entire bunch..
8 posted on 12/03/2002 8:24:37 AM PST by strider44
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To: strider44
"It's a vast departure from the way we've done business," said Donna Harlan, an associate superintendent in the Northampton school system. "We are not in the business of giving lists of names of kids to anybody. That was tough. The issue was if we were to receive federal or state money, we had to comply with the law."

But Donna has no problem with supplying this information to the feds and state for the school lunch program. In fact, she has no problem with school-based health clinics referring minors to abortionists without parental notification.

Leftists are beyond hypocrisy.....

9 posted on 12/03/2002 8:28:12 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: strider44; GummyIII
I don't understand what the problem is here? It's laughable that the ACLU is complaining about student privacy too. There hasn't been privacy since when?
10 posted on 12/03/2002 8:28:26 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: anniegetyourgun
"supplying this information to the feds and state for the school lunch program"

I was thinking the same thing. There hasn't been privacy for years.....and never will be.
11 posted on 12/03/2002 8:29:32 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: strider44
Alterman said after he opted out, his son received another letter, this one promoting scholarships. "It was very seductive. They didn't say anything about risk to personal safety," Alterman said.

Well, the companies in the World Trade Center also forgot to mention that risk to their employees when they hired them. You can run, Alterman, but you cannot hide. Before it ends, this war is going to come right into your bedroom and get you.

12 posted on 12/03/2002 8:29:45 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: strider44
Schools have no problem selling their kids names, addresses and phone numbers to college recruiting agencies.

They don't love privacy. They just hate America.

13 posted on 12/03/2002 8:32:36 AM PST by wideawake
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To: strider44
The solution is simple: don't give away personal information to anyone. Was that so hard?
14 posted on 12/03/2002 8:42:07 AM PST by realpatriot71
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To: MikeWUSAF
I suggest to increase the armed force's ranks, Judges, once again, give our young delinquents the option to enter the military rather than go to jail. Worked well in the 60's, and today's troubled youth would benefit just as much as than. Frees up the jail cells for the harder criminals too.
15 posted on 12/03/2002 8:46:13 AM PST by raisincane
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To: raisincane
Actually the program didn't work so well. Most of the ones who came in under these programs ended up washing out after the taxpayers spent a lot of money on training or continuing their criminal activities once they were in uniform. I think the Marine's had some success, but the other branches didn't.
16 posted on 12/03/2002 9:02:48 AM PST by mbynack
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
The law also spelled the end of a 6-year ban on military recruiting on campus in Portland, Oregon. After contending that the "don't ask, don't tell" policy discriminates against gays, the school system now gives recruiters a shot at its 16,000 students.

As usual with the liberals, money talks and their "principles" walk. They talk so high and lofty about their pure and principled unbiased beatiful multi-cultural mosaic, UNTIL it costs them federal $$$. But of course it is the evil Military's fault, forcing them to knuckle under, less they have to Pay an actual Price for their vaunted stand.

Geez, I hate the people on the west side of my state. It is no coincidence that Portland has been a hot bed for Al Queda recruiters and terrorists quislings. And now we have another Dem governor to further drive this once prosperous state even deeper into the pit of socialism.

Our state went up in smoke this summer and still those wetheads do not get a clue. There is no way to describe the anguish, anger and despair I feel, as this mostly rural state is continually hijacked by the a$$holes living on the I-5 corridor. /rant

17 posted on 12/03/2002 9:19:25 AM PST by Valpal1
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To: strider44
Military service should be obligatory... nothing wrong with recruitors at the schools...
Heck it gets the kids out of an hour of socialism studies or perversion human sexuality..

As long as the kids who become wounded combat vets are taken care of after discharge.

VA Health Care...for combat vets...
18 posted on 12/03/2002 9:26:10 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: strider44
Well, I would certainly rather have military recruiters on my campus than the homosexual lobby that is targetting the minds and hearts of our children through far more devious devices. I think the military should be recruiting there. If I had my druthers, I'd rather see older (say 30-45 year old) people take up the responsibilities of war to give our kids a chance to experience the world. But that will never happen.
19 posted on 12/03/2002 9:31:41 AM PST by twigs
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To: Valpal1
Rant away my friend....this is typical of the libs..

Missouri's not so hot either... dems have had so much support from local media, one would think that there are no conservs in our state at all. St louis and Kansas city are IMHO the only dem cities in our state..but to read thepaper and listen to the news one would think otherwise..why, don't ya know, the rural folks are hicks, and the suburbs are ignored.
20 posted on 12/03/2002 9:41:15 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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