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To: MHGinTN
I'm not familiar with the other case, at least by name. I find it hard to believe in abductions, the multitude of Art Bell guests notwithstanding.

Unless you believe in a massive world-wide conspiracy of government coverups, I do not see any evidence of "tagging", as if the ALFs are practicing "catch & release".

Unless the ALFs are doing it for environmental monitoring, I would suspect that they can clone previous "samples", obviating the need for continually revisiting this planet.

And speaking of Art Bell, he has Steven Greer on tonight.

Still, there is that nagging serendipity of the timing of that "Fire in the Sky" abduction.

108 posted on 12/05/2002 8:21:39 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke
I don't believe in the catch-tag-release scenario either. On the rare occasion that I go fishing these days, I always release what gets hooked. What with the pollutants in our area waters, I wouldn't want to take them home. There is proven disinformation on the part of our gov't and other governments (the Soviets had a well healed group traveling all over their holdings for such stuff). That sort of campaign raises the hairs on the back of my neck. I've actually seen a UFO ... and it remains just that, unidentified. But I do know enough about the physical laws we teach our kids to realize that object was not obeying what I'd been told was the limit of those laws.
111 posted on 12/05/2002 9:05:26 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Calvin Locke
It would be interesting, from a scientific point of view, if the visitors actually turned out to be bipedal, have two eyes, swing two arms, etc. Is there some imperative for this evolutionary outcome? Know what I mean?
112 posted on 12/05/2002 9:08:17 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Calvin Locke
I read a document last night on the implants that was a good update.

I think the evidence for massive implanting and abductions is conclusive as far as I'm concerned.

The URL for the implants is:

http://www.karenlyster.com/effects.html

This above article gets into BEFORE AND AFTER EFFECTS of implant removal. Interesting, to me.

A good doc on two MD's doing surveys on UFO's and abductions at their two different offices 20 miles apart within the same HMO org is very good, too--and available at URL:

http://www.karenlyster.com/gordon.html

I found their surveys solid and their results quite interesting and comparable. They essentially support other surveys indicating millions of abductees nationwide.

Excerpts:

The following is a document describing a UFO survey by David Gordon, M.D. and his wife and I did in their medical practices in 1992. The purpose of the survey was to establish the veracity of UFO sighting and contact reports and to get a general idea aboutthe scope of the phenomenon. They wish to re-post this survey at this time because of recent inquiries about it.

PREVALENCE OF UFO SIGHTINGS, CONTACTS, AND ABDUCTIONS IN AN HMO PRACTICE

There have been recent medical gatherings (1) and media publications (2,3,4) in which respected psychiatric professionals have supported the claims of people who say they were abducted by UFO's. Some of these people have been found to be suffering from a type of post-traumatic stress disorder (3). A recent Roper survey of over 5,000 people, whose results were mailed to 100,000 psychiatric professionals, found a 2 per cent potential UFO abduction rate in the general population (5). To discover the prevalence of both UFO abductions and sightings, and to establish the veracity and clinical relevance of these claims, I undertook a survey of my own HMO practice members.

. . .

The results were surprising. Out of 1050 HMO members surveyed, 115 (11%) reported having had seen a UFO by the criteria listed above. Only two had reported it to the authorities. Sixty (6%) of the objects had been close enough to be able to sketch structure. The other 55 (5%) objects had been nocturnal lights moving non-ballistically. Eight members (0.8% of the total surveyed population) related an involuntary UFO contact or abduction. four (0.4%) other members reported visual contact with UFO entities without abduction. Most of the members reporting objects or entities were known personally by me for several years and had no history of mental disturbance. Furthermore, medical records were available on all of these persons to confirm this.

A GOOD SUMMARY of the whole abduction thing is available at:

http://www.crystalinks.com/abduction.html

There are examples and a check list of evidence and a good description of the standard scenarios.

Then there's the article Which talks about the $5,000 USDOLLAR FINE & YEAR IN JAIL at:

http://www.karenlyster.com/law.html

PROVIDED FOR IN THE "EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL EXPOSURE LAW" courtesy of our government regarding beings and events that "DON'T EXIST/DON'T HAPPEN; MOVE ALONG."

Happy reading.

334 posted on 12/16/2002 12:17:30 PM PST by Quix
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