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"Dispel Mark of Beast Phobia", replace cards with biometrics, 100 million users, pilot launched
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Posted on 12/01/2002 11:30:53 PM PST by chance33_98

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To: MoGalahad
Are all such decisions considered a 'phobia' if they don't meet with governments approval?

Your either a sheep or a goat to them:
Failure To Enroll (goats): 2 elderly people

41 posted on 12/02/2002 1:51:28 PM PST by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
If this happens, and biometric id becomes a requirement, expect the black market economy to BOOM!
42 posted on 12/02/2002 1:52:39 PM PST by abner
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To: chance33_98
I've read about this stuff before, pretty wacked out if you ask me. Don't know if I believe it all, or maybe I just don't want to believe it. It's a toss up.

Thanks for ping'in me hon.
43 posted on 12/02/2002 7:41:21 PM PST by Lilly
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To: xzins
Scary. Just say "No."

Loudly.

44 posted on 12/02/2002 8:15:21 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: chance33_98
Interesting that it's a "phobia" already linking refusal to mental illness.

I came across something interesting regarding Russia and their plan to assign everyone a barcode for tax purposes. You can search it out on the net as there are several articles about it.

The upshot of it all is that the simple Russians who are awakening to their Christian roots and bibles (or have been proselytized by mob freaks (how do you like my acronym) so they got the Russian church involved and, you guessed it, the head honchos of the church there are trying to tell the people that it is ok.

There are a few Russian clergy that are balking and they are being marginalized.

If it weren't for those pesky fundamentalist Christians who know their bible . . .

And the $64,000 question that nobody wants to touch with a ten-foot-pole other than Dave Hunt is what will the catholic hierarchy tell the catholic people to do? They already utilized magnetic cards for the jubilee.

Things are really heating up.

If you can't buy or sell without it, I don't want it. Unless its my checkbook.

Did you notice that to get the best prices and deals on the internet you almost have to have a credit card?

45 posted on 12/02/2002 8:33:20 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska
If it weren't for those pesky fundamentalist Christians who know their bible . . .

And what bothers me about that it is people see the pesky christians and their phobia and get distracted from the other reasons this is a bad idea. Not to mention imagine being around a group of peers and you make the remark your not sure your gonna sign up for it - they will think your a wacko and compare you to those silly fundie christians, even if your not. The real issues will get glossed over (privacy, control, etc). I almost think the government wants the phobia so they have something to distract people with...

46 posted on 12/02/2002 11:22:15 PM PST by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
This makes me somewhat more grateful to live out in the boonies. I never use a credit card, I pay with cash. We don't have regular grocery stores here, so we don't have those cards. When we left Houston almost 4 years ago, they already had those cards that would get you "better deals" so I had one. It bothered me some back then because I knew they could keep track of everything I bought. Not that I have anything to hide, but it is somewhat personal, especially concerning women's products and such. I have to admit I miss my favorite Randell's though.
47 posted on 12/02/2002 11:38:16 PM PST by DBtoo
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To: DBtoo
One of the things I saw happen here in Ohio was small town grocers either set up for the cards or were not able to do business with the 'foodstamp' program (by cards here I mean the smart cards they replaced the paper foodstamps with). As a switch to biometric is made this will happen again. Adding to that one can see that in order for the small time grovery store to get their supplies they may have to buy using biometrics to supply their own stores, and over time these things will become normalized.

A mass rollout will take a few years but the foundation has been laid. I am reading "BIOMETRICS AND THE FUTURE OF MONEY" online right now, which is from: WEDNESDAY, MAY 20, 1998, U.S. House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Committee on Banking and Financial Services,
(Sorry about the caps, cut and pasted...)
I am also reading the EU directives on this subject. Data integration across global boundaries is of concern, as is data selling and usage without consent (ie your personal biometric data being available to agencies and third party companies, so your voice, iris, fingerprint, etc may all well be quasi-public domain while still being 'private').

I have read and am reading legal documentation on it, pretty fascinating stuff - but to me true privacy comes from using cash - something entirely lost in the governments desire to implement this. If you want any of the links I am ready let me know (same for anyone on the thread).

48 posted on 12/03/2002 12:01:20 AM PST by chance33_98
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To: DainBramage
It could very well be a prelude or desensatization process needed before the Mark, but not the actual one. JMO

I would agree with you on that. The mark will be something more then this, a voluntary submission to the anti-christ - where I see this playing though is in helping to facilitate that procedure. Everyone will already be buying and selling using biometrics by then, so to insure you committ to the AC will be a simple matter. Instead of using a fingerprint, iris, etc, you will get a special new 'mark' (perhaps) showing you have pledged allegiance to his power. Since everything you do is tracked they will have little problem finding those who dissent. It's setting the stage - even if the current intent is good and logical in some ways, as Jesus said '...they know not what they do.'

49 posted on 12/03/2002 12:15:38 AM PST by chance33_98
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; BibChr; Frumanchu; Wrigley; fortheDeclaration; jude24
DrE, I'm among those who have that "mark of beast phobia."

Even if one didn't, though, there is no technology in the history of the world with greater potential for abuse than this has. This marks a time when people can be individually labeled, tracked, and controlled. If Stalin or Hitler had had this, they would have used it to its evil fullest.

I fear for the future liberty of the world with this in the hands of incrementalist socialists. They will begin their experiment in building the ant colony.

You are exactly correct. This is scary.
50 posted on 12/03/2002 7:08:59 AM PST by xzins
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To: chance33_98
The fingerprint idea is bad. Schwartzenegger showed us in "The Sixth Day" what do do about that (cut off the fingers of someone and use them).
51 posted on 12/03/2002 7:11:19 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: xzins
You are exactly correct. This is scary.

Not if you are Pretrib. it's not! :>)

52 posted on 12/03/2002 11:16:16 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
Not if you are Pretrib. it's not! :>)

While I get the humor, I still think that looking at the prospects of this stuff is scary (scarey?).

Then there's the issue of unsaved loved ones, Jews, etc.

:>) but pray.

53 posted on 12/03/2002 11:20:12 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins
While I get the humor, I still think that looking at the prospects of this stuff is scary (scarey?). Then there's the issue of unsaved loved ones, Jews, etc. :>) but pray.

That is why being Pre-trib is a motivater to evangelize, we see the trends and know how horrible the Tribulation is going to be.

But, it is coming, and we need to work while it is light!

54 posted on 12/03/2002 11:33:51 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: Ookie Wonderslug
Just curious, how are you paying for your on-line service?
55 posted on 12/03/2002 4:33:30 PM PST by irishtenor
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To: Ookie Wonderslug
I find it easier to write a check. I don't want to drive all over the place to give out cash. Sorry, but I am not paranoid about such things as banks, checking accounts, or credit cards, either. But I do maintain control over them.
57 posted on 12/03/2002 6:05:59 PM PST by irishtenor
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To: Ookie Wonderslug
Barter also works wonders.
58 posted on 12/07/2002 6:02:25 AM PST by Cvengr
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