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Effects of abortion can be long lasting
The Pioneer (Bemidji, Minnesota ) ^ | November 30, 2002 | Mark Peske

Posted on 11/30/2002 7:16:19 PM PST by madprof98

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To: AnnaZ
I found your statement to be harsh and heartless.

I find ripping babies limbs from limb while they are innocently developing in the comfort of the womb that GOD created to be harsh and heartless. The guy I callled a little puke is still alive. How's the baby doing?

41 posted on 12/01/2002 2:34:36 PM PST by Texas Eagle
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To: jlogajan
I was reading to see when this argument would come up.

Yes, and homosexuals would just be happy and well-adjusted if only we would accept them. And communism would really be a utopian if all the world would just go along. And gun control would work if everyone would voluntarily give up their guns. And....

42 posted on 12/01/2002 2:49:05 PM PST by beGlad
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To: Texas Eagle
I find ripping babies limbs from limb while they are innocently developing in the comfort of the womb that GOD created to be harsh and heartless. The guy I callled a little puke is still alive. How's the baby doing?
The baby is, more than likely, currently suffering less than the "little puke".
 
I find abortion to be a harsh and heartless abomination as well, but it is the most propagandized abomination that exists. Again, I ask, have you never operated out of fear and ignorance?
 
This young man -- or "little puke", whichever term you're more comfortable with -- seems to be grieving daily over the "choice", which is a lot more than I can say for those who herald the act as an outward manifestation of liberty. Slamming those who have come to see the truth behind the lie helps no one -- not the "puke", not the baby, not the cause.

43 posted on 12/01/2002 3:13:53 PM PST by AnnaZ
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To: AnnaZ
The baby is, more than likely, currently suffering less than the "little puke".

Ah, rationalization. The last refuge of the defeated.

I find abortion to be a harsh and heartless abomination as well, but it is the most propagandized abomination that exists

Propagandized? How could something you find to be a "heartless abomination" be considered propaganda?

Again, I ask, have you never operated out of fear and ignorance?

Of course I have. What does that have to do with anything?

This young man -- or "little puke", whichever term you're more comfortable with

Little puke.

-- seems to be grieving daily over the "choice",

Yeah, but he'd be grieving a lot more if he had to pay child support for 18+ years

.which is a lot more than I can say for those who herald the act as an outward manifestation of liberty.

Well, maybe a little more, but certainly not a LOT more.

Slamming those who have come to see the truth behind the lie helps no one -- not the "puke", not the baby, not the cause.

It might help future babies.

44 posted on 12/01/2002 3:55:55 PM PST by Texas Eagle
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To: Texas Eagle

The baby is, more than likely, currently suffering less than the "little puke".

Ah, rationalization. The last refuge of the defeated.

You asked the question. I simply answered it. Regardless of one's worldview, it was probably even the correct answer. I am in no way "defeated" by your caustic remark or your continued condescension and arrogance.
 

I find abortion to be a harsh and heartless abomination as well, but it is the most propagandized abomination that exists

Propagandized? How could something you find to be a "heartless abomination" be considered propaganda?

You quote me yet still get me wrong. I said it was propagandized, not propaganda. And if you think that abortion is not the most propagandized abomination I know not how you have escaped all media, and all campaign slogans of the 'Rats. It's simply "choice" remember?
 

Again, I ask, have you never operated out of fear and ignorance?

Of course I have. What does that have to do with anything?

D'oh! Gee, I wonder. Unless you believe that most people have abortions because the thought of paying someone to kill their child really thrills them, most rational people understand that most abortions, especially those of teenage offspring, are decided upon due to fear and ignorance.
 

-- seems to be grieving daily over the "choice",

Yeah, but he'd be grieving a lot more if he had to pay child support for 18+ years

Statements that "logically challenged" are not worth a retort.
 

.which is a lot more than I can say for those who herald the act as an outward manifestation of liberty.

Well, maybe a little more, but certainly not a LOT more.

Really? Not a lot more? So this poor guy is just one step ahead of Mrs. Gore and Mrs. Bradley clinking champagne glasses in celebration of a Roe vs. Wade anniversary? Or a Kate Michelman? Thank goodness you're not God and just play one on a message board, since the fruit of repentance in your domain would obviously still be just a sour grape.
 

Slamming those who have come to see the truth behind the lie helps no one -- not the "puke", not the baby, not the cause.

It might help future babies.

Wrong. Wrongwrongwrongwrongwrong. Unless, of course, you think Slepian's murderer Kopp is the right kind of evangelist. It takes love and compassion to change hearts and minds. You can't even have compassion on those who already have.

45 posted on 12/01/2002 4:52:32 PM PST by AnnaZ
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To: AnnaZ
Unless you believe that most people have abortions because the thought of paying someone to kill their child really thrills them, most rational people understand that most abortions, especially those of teenage offspring, are decided upon due to fear and ignorance.

What a crock. They are decided upon out of selfishness.

46 posted on 12/01/2002 5:03:34 PM PST by Texas Eagle
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To: MacDorcha
would you rather have violence or no thinking?

I'm not sure what you are saying here but I want abortions to be declared illegal and stopped. I also want to see more programs like this one, helping these people to seek forgiveness and peace. CD

47 posted on 12/01/2002 7:42:26 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Jael
That was an excellent post about your friend. The part that I find most chilling is the part about the empty house and how his life would have been different, had he only done things differently and would do anything to go back and change the things that he had done. For someone in this situation Christ words, "blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted" come to mind and I wish him all the best and hope he keeps at it. What I do wonder though is this guy doing any kind of volenteer work with high school and college age kids? Warning them of the evils that exist. After all it has been my experience that your parents and teachers will never tell you the complete truth.
48 posted on 12/01/2002 7:49:47 PM PST by peter the great
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To: peter the great
Hi, thanks for your reply.

Brian did work with the local Save-a-Life until recently. He also spoke to our homeschool group just last Monday. He is active in several ministries.

He did remarry, after his divorce had been final seven years. Not that that number has anything to do with it.;-)
49 posted on 12/01/2002 8:00:36 PM PST by Jael
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
I agree.
50 posted on 12/01/2002 8:05:13 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: CindyDawg
i was just saying, it's next to pointles to wish for both Peace and anything Rightious at the same time. i agree with getting rid of abortion, but phrases like "why can't we have both?" gets almost hippy... im not talking down to you. or at least,im not intinding to, just keep in mind that life has a weird sense of humor...
51 posted on 12/01/2002 8:15:01 PM PST by MacDorcha
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To: jlogajan
Especially with the religionoids screaming "Murderer!" in your face for the rest of your life.

I would think more devastating than that would be to view an ultrasound later of another baby. Maybe watch a child of 3 months gestation sucking it's thumb. I've never met anyone who chose not to have an abortion regret their child's life, not even those who gave their babies up for adoption. At any rate, it's obvious there isn't much counseling done in abortion clinics.

52 posted on 12/01/2002 8:34:41 PM PST by FITZ
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