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To: Illbay
Why didn't we need all this Homeland Security stuff in WW2? Why is it so necessary to overrun the Bill of Rights now? Im not saying that's happening,...yet. But the potential is there in the Patriot Act and the HS bill. Now, Im pretty far right wing, but this gives me chills.

The logical solution seems to be border control. But we can't have that and PC thought at the same time. Our PC tendencies make the HS Department and the Patriot Act necessary. If we protected ourselves with common sense, all this extra government authority wouldn't be necesary.

The author's point stands; that the Dems complaints about government invasiveness is largely their own fault.
10 posted on 11/30/2002 7:04:08 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt
Why didn't we need all this Homeland Security stuff in WW2? Why is it so necessary to overrun the Bill of Rights now?

A whole lot of Japanese Americans living in the 1940s might be very surprised to learn that we didn't have all this Homeland Security stuff in WWII.

13 posted on 11/30/2002 7:28:32 AM PST by RogueIsland
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To: ovrtaxt
Why didn't we need all this Homeland Security stuff in WW2?

Surely you jest. We DID have "this Homeland security stuff" during WWII.

Why is it so necessary to overrun the Bill of Rights now?

Please point out ways in which the Bill of Rights is being "overrun."

Im not saying that's happening,...yet.

But that's the problem: Everyone talks about the "threats to freedom" from the Patriot Act and Homeland Security, but no one gives anything approaching details about it. Historically, during time of war for this nation, these same sorts of laws were implemented. It's just that at that time people still considered "the government" to be a manifestation of the people's will. The 1960s hadn't happened yet, and this cult of hyper-individualism hadn't yet found its way into the cultural consciousness.

Back then, people thought we were all pulling together for a common cause: Defeating the enemy. Now, too many simply see the government as the biggest "threat."

But the potential is there in the Patriot Act and the HS bill.

The potential is there for abuse every time a government is instituted. But silly diatribes that make these sound like dictatorial decrees are just stupid, far more "evil, stupid, or insane" than anything that Pres. Bush has pushed.

The threat is NOT from our government. Imperfect as it is, it DOES belong to us, and as the events of Nov. 5 demonstrated, it is quite amenable to the will of the governed.

Meanwhile, fruitcakes like this "L. Neil Smith" character would seem to favor unfettered ability of terrorists, rapists and child molestors to ply their favorite hobbies. Just so long as we don't have "the government" involved.

You talk about the Bill of Rights, but you can't really say which of those Rights is being infringed. Well, I can refer to the REST of the Constitution as well, and I can tell you that in several places, the Federal government is charged to "provide for the common defense." To me, the Patriot Act, Homestead Security Act, etc., are absolutely in line with that obligation.

These things have been conceived and passed by the Legislative branch, after due deliberation--and there was a LOT of it. They have been signed into law by the Executive. And some of it has already passed Judicial muster.

Sounds like everything is open and aboveboard, and absolutely constitutional.

Still you have nitwits like this "Smith" cretin complaining and even threatening outright revolt.

I tell you this: If it were 60 years ago, this guy would've been under house arrest as a threat to national security. He has no IDEA how bad things can REALLY be, even in a free society, when we're at war.

15 posted on 11/30/2002 8:01:55 AM PST by Illbay
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