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Conservatives Dispute Bush Portrayal of Islam as Peaceful
washington post ^ | 11/30/02

Posted on 11/29/2002 9:49:16 PM PST by knak

President Bush finds himself in a rare disagreement with conservatives in his party over his efforts to portray Islam as a peaceful religion that is not responsible for anti-American terrorism.

In a score of speeches since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the president has called for tolerance of Muslims, describing Islam as "a faith based upon peace and love and compassion" and a religion committed to "morality and learning and tolerance."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: islam; religionofpeace; ropma
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To: knak
Let's ask the 3,000 killed on 9-11 and the scores of dead since how peaceful Islam is.
21 posted on 11/29/2002 11:07:49 PM PST by husky ed
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To: Captainpaintball

No, it's not crap.

All Muslims aren't violent, hateful or mean spirited.

One of the most pleasant people I ever met was this black guy who maintained our building. I had no idea he was a Muslim till I offered him a piece of pizza while he was fasting (My bad, but how should I know?)

I had years of experience with they guy and I always thought he was a peacenik or something along those lines.

He was the kind of guy who you would want to help your daughter if she had a flat tire. A good guy all around and, as I learned later a devoted Muslim.

You should be careful with these broad brushes. It wasn't too awfully long ago that people wanted to paint all Conservatives with one.

22 posted on 11/29/2002 11:12:58 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: AnnaZ
Ackk!!
23 posted on 11/29/2002 11:14:11 PM PST by HangFire
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To: knak
We all know, or at least have heard, that Islam doctrine teaches the murder of infidels (non-Muslims). So there seems to be a lot of questions about why the president would say that Islam is a religion of peace. It bothered me since I generally support the president. Look carefully at the president's quote in the article. He says, and I quote, "Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others."

Interesting..... This was one of the first few times I had seen the actual quote. Let's quote the president correctly. He qualifies it very specifically. "Islam, [as practiced by the vast majority of people], is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others." I believe this is a true statement as qualified. However, without the clause, "as practiced by the vast majority of people," I believe it is false and I believe the president believes the same. It appears that he chose his words very carefully.

President Bush is president to all Americans, including the 8 million Muslims in this country. As our political leader he cannot, nor should he, condemn a specific religion or its doctrine, no matter how ludicrous. I have not seen any direct quotes where Bush comments on the truthfulness of Islam doctrine. That's not his role. He does make general statements about the Muslim people. Hopefully, he will continue to choose his words carefully and leave any discussion of Islamic doctrine to religious scholars.

CAVEAT: I note also here that Bush is quoted as saying, "Islam is peace." In this case, I believe he was given a bad translation of the word Islam. I hope so anyway. I would prefer that he not address doctrinal issues related to Islam and leave those to religious scholars. He may, however, comment on his general observations of Muslims, and I believe he has done so appropriately to date. I would also hope that spokesmen for the president be very careful also. I believe Ari Fleischer has not been nearly as careful as he should be.

24 posted on 11/29/2002 11:20:38 PM PST by Rockitz
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To: HangFire
Ackk!!

Ack?


25 posted on 11/29/2002 11:23:19 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: knak
Of course it's hard to take anyones word that Islam is the "Religion of peace," when it seems every other day in one country or another the terror goes on and for the most ridiculous reasons(Nigeria). Of course it doesn't help when the majority of Muslims are amongst the most ignorant humans on earth, there isn't much intellectualizing going on here. They're little better than the goats they herd in that regard.

What rank and file muslims around the world and especially in this country fail to realize is that for them to gain back any credibility, they had better start policing their own stop and stop expecting everyone to go on as though nothing ever happened. Their stunning silence equals tacit approval of terrorism in many peoples eyes and if they can't see that, then their religion isn't the only problem they have.

26 posted on 11/29/2002 11:27:04 PM PST by amstaff1
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To: ex-Texan
islam is the enemy
27 posted on 11/29/2002 11:30:38 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: knak
President Bush finds himself in a rare disagreement with conservatives

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Rare?


28 posted on 11/29/2002 11:34:35 PM PST by RLK
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To: sweetliberty
Looks like the truth will win out on this one. Only Blind People see islam as peace.
29 posted on 11/29/2002 11:36:13 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW

You are making a mistake.

To remove, persecute or stigmatize the kind of Muslims I came in contact with (In cincy no less! The armpit of the universe) diminishes society.

This broad brush approach is simple and it's easy to apply.

The problem is it doesn't work.

30 posted on 11/29/2002 11:40:55 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: knak

How long must we wait for George W. Twit to READ the Koran and ACKNOWLEDGE the "Axis of Evil" that resides therein ???


31 posted on 11/29/2002 11:41:32 PM PST by GeekDejure
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To: GeekDejure
Then how do you suggest we reslve this matter?

Hmmm?

32 posted on 11/29/2002 11:47:11 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
One of the most pleasant people I ever met was this black guy who maintained our building. I had no idea he was a Muslim till I offered him a piece of pizza while he was fasting (My bad, but how should I know?)

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There were some very pleasant people who supported Hitler. Many people support many things not having much of an idea what they are really involved in. Every movement has its dupes.

33 posted on 11/29/2002 11:56:05 PM PST by RLK
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To: amstaff1
What rank and file muslims around the world and especially in this country fail to realize is that for them to gain back any credibility, they had better start policing their own stop and stop expecting everyone to go on as though nothing ever happened. Their stunning silence equals tacit approval of terrorism in many peoples eyes and if they can't see that, then their religion isn't the only problem they have.

That's it in a nutshell. We've heard a lot from the peaceful Muslem Americans about their fears of being treated unfaily in this country since 9/11. To my Western ears it just sounds like more "America is the evil Satan" rhetoric.

The Muslem American community needs to rise up as one loud voice, united in professing that those who hide inside the Islamic faith while engaging in or supporting acts of terrorism are cursed by Allah and must be brought to justice.

Where is the fatwah against Bin Laden and his followers for their unspeakable, murderous blashpemy against Islam?

34 posted on 11/30/2002 12:00:26 AM PST by lonevoice
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To: RLK

Perhaps, but this dupe doesn't deserve to be punished or painted.

IMO, Lamonte and his muslim pals should be left alone.. As they are preferable to 99.5% of Cincy at large.

(I know that's not the most flattering comparison, it is true though. If your car broke down, you would want someone like this to help you.)

35 posted on 11/30/2002 12:00:49 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
The first Muslim settlement in the New World, in what later came to be known as The United States of America, was founded in 1760.

Not one single instance of anti-American violence in over 240 years.

A handful of radicals are trying to goad billions of people into a religious war, and some are willing to be manipulated right into the carnage in the name of Christendom.

I guess we should all judge Christianity by the actions of the KKK.

36 posted on 11/30/2002 12:01:40 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Sure, and then let's get a steak.. Hell, it's been a long day!

37 posted on 11/30/2002 12:03:57 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
Then how do you suggest we resolve this matter?

Submit, roll over and let them kill us.

38 posted on 11/30/2002 12:08:22 AM PST by Minutemen
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To: lonevoice
So, you want Muslims to prove that they are peaceful people by calling for a Fatwah?

You want them to prove that they are different from the ones causing all the death in the world by behaving like them?

If you took the time to read something other than TLB's propaganda, you would find the condemnations on bin Laden's atack on America from Muslim leaders all over the world.

The most important component of any successful military action, is to know, and understand your enemy. The bin Ladens of the world want you to believe that all Muslims are your enemy, like they want Muslims to believe that all Christians are their enemy.

That's the real enemy, the guy trying to manipulate you into thinking the way they do.
39 posted on 11/30/2002 12:09:43 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Jhoffa_
nothings easy....

Point is Islam must be stopped. Islam is the problem. Islam is a murder cult.
40 posted on 11/30/2002 12:11:25 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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