[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

And it greatly annoys them that after having forced their sick agenda ninety-five years to the goal line, there are a few stalwart defenders digging in who just won't yield despite all the name-calling and and all-out assaults by the pro-gay PC goon squads.

The "stalwart defenders" of State-Sanctioned Marriage are virtually doomed to fail. When you make Caesar your god, he will stab you in the back -- every time.

If even one State grants full Legal legitimacy to homosexual marriage and overcomes a Constitutional challenge in the USSC, then it's Belshazzar in reverse -- the writing is on the wall.

Meanwhile, the Libertarians have observed (correctly) that if Marriage and State are separated, the entire "field" of battle is cleared. Both Abram and Moses enjoyed healthy Marriages with Sarai and Zipporah (respectively) without the Sanction of the State; likewise will heterosexual Christian marriage survive without the approval of Caesar.

• Deny the homosexual movement the very field of battle which they seek, and you have won already.
• Enter the battle on their terms (State-sanctioned Marriage) and you have lost already.

Heterosexual Christian Marriage needs no "State Marriage license" to be Valid, Licit, and Holy. The Benediction of a duly-ordained Presbyter and the Witness of the groom and bride's respective Clans will acomplish that much, in the eyes of God. But eliminate that State Marriage License entirely, and the homosexual "couple" no longer has a State-sanctioned piece of paper to wave in Jerry Falwell's face... they have only their own "Private Contract", which no Christian church needs honor.

Without the Approval of Caesar, where's the "fun" in that??

Eliminate the State Marriage License, and you will see the "demand" for Homosexual Marriage drop by 90% or more.

The general, unable to control his irritation, will launch his men to the assault like swarming ants, with the result that one-third of his men are slain, while the town still remains untaken. Such are the disastrous effects of a siege.

Therefore the skillful leader subdues the enemy's troops without any fighting; he captures their cities without laying siege to them; he overthrows their kingdom without lengthy operations in the field. ~~ Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"

[Roscoe]

The "stalwart defenders" of State-Sanctioned Marriage are virtually doomed to fail.

Delusional fanaticism.

[xzins]

Roscoe, Ortho is correct. Christian marriages have absolutely nothing to do with the state. The legal "protections and prohibitions" are insignificant for believers who are married in the eyes of God and the church.

Christians would do well to leave this battlefield altogether and begin marrying within their own domain...totally ignore the state.

[Dutchgirl]

Without the Approval of Caesar, where's the "fun" in that??

If marriage once again became available only sacramentally, wouldn't we see a rise in "Vegas" style churches that exist only to grant speedy divorces and homosexual marriage?

My mother (a catholic) married an agnostic. After 7 kids, the state granted a divorce, after the divorce, the Catholic Church granted my mother an annullment...saying that my father never seriously intended to become a Catholic. This was in 1970- before the big divorce boom.

What role do you see for the church, if it steps aside from this battle in this nation?