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To: breakem
"Homosexual conduct is, and has been, considered abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature and of nature's God upon which this Nation and our laws are predicated. Such conduct violates both the criminal and civil laws of this State and is destructive to a basic building block of society -- the family." ---- Chief Justice Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court in a decision denying custody of children to a lesbian mother.

No matter how much society appears to change, the law on this subject has remained steadfast from the earliest history of the law, and that law is and must be our law today. The common law designates homosexuality as an inherent evil... ---- Chief Justice Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court in a decision denying custody of children to a lesbian mother.

"The Constitution does not confer a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy. None of the fundamental rights announced in this Court's prior cases involving family relationships, marriage, or procreation bear any resemblance to the right asserted in this case. And any claim that those cases stand for the proposition that any kind of private sexual conduct between consenting adults is constitutionally insulated from state proscription is unsupportable. " The United States Supreme Court in BOWERS v. HARDWICK, 478 U.S. 186 (1986) 478 U.S. 186

All recent decisions. You can't blame these on those "Evil Founders."

The United States Military, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Puerto Rico, South Carolina, Utah, Virginia, Massachusetts Michigan, and Missouri all have laws That ban Homosexuality.

In many of those places, Homosexuality is a felony. In North Carolina for example, Homosexuality is a class I felony, Homosexuals who go to the parks to engage in their perversions are prosecuted and convicted, and live the rest of their pathetic lives with that status hanging over them.

47 posted on 11/30/2002 11:04:28 AM PST by FF578
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To: Kevin Curry; Cultural Jihad; Roscoe; fortheDeclaration
Pinging the Good Guys.
48 posted on 11/30/2002 11:06:33 AM PST by FF578
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To: FF578
I think you should start a campaign in those states to have the homosexuals, who you say are de facto felons by their existence or choice, put in prison. Let's get law enforcement to enforce the laws. How can you let this ommission go on. You are not living up to our history.

Meanwhile, I'll get some laws reinstated so we can go after witches. If we divide up the labor we can get the job done.

Your guest list contains posters who namecall, lie, and run away, but hey if you need the help, you need the help. Good guys who lie and are against freedom, now theres an organization.

49 posted on 11/30/2002 12:29:10 PM PST by breakem
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To: FF578
After a whole week of lurking, I just had to weigh in here.

What we've lost sight of here is the objective of marriage. The point is to provide more economic security, and a good setting for raising children. Monogamy has always served these purposes best, it must be admitted. However...

Women and men are no longer limited in roles. All people are in a better position to make their own choices, due to rising technology and education levels. By the evidence, this is having a hugely negative effect on monogamy. Of course, many might say that the solution is to put women back into the kitchen. I find this outlook repulsive.

People have more choice. They are better-equipped to make their own decisions (despite the NEA's best efforts). We're going to have to live with the result. I, for one, think that the change is worth the pain.

So, back to the original issue. What we need to do now, is figure out what needs to be accomplished. Simple: the proper upbringing of children. Instead of trying to accomplish that by passing laws that prescribe how to live your life (which is what a liberal would do), let's decide what is a correct way to treat your child, what isn't, and stomp on people who go outside the lines.

Marriage then becomes a private decision, based on the dictates of your beliefs. "Marriage" benefits are a private decision between you and your employer. Marriage is not recognized in law. Instead, inheritance and property ownership are agreed between the people involved, and sealed by the law.

Thus speaks a semi-libertarian.

"If we don't stand for freedom, straight down the line, what are we but another g-d empire?"--Poul Anderson

73 posted on 11/30/2002 2:59:11 PM PST by Big Bear_L.C.A.R.
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