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Hell breaks loose over peace hall(Australian residents dont want mosque)
SMH ^ | November 28 2002 | Deborah Cameron

Posted on 11/29/2002 4:22:53 AM PST by smpc

An application for a Muslim place of worship has set off an avalanche of objections,writes Deborah Cameron.

Put yourself in this man's shoes: he loves cricket, voted for John Howard, admires Liberal Party* values, owns a computer hardware company, has a building application before a council and is a Muslim.

On six out of seven counts, he is everyman. But on the seventh point, his religion, Abbas Aly is the loneliest man in Baulkham Hills. His building application is unusual - he wants to open a Muslim place of worship - and his timing is awful. But the reaction has been "unbelievable", he says.

There have been 4500 objections lodged with the Baulkham Hills Shire Council, a further 3000 letters and hundreds of complaint calls directly to councillors, a public meeting attended by 700 people, a poster campaign, a brick through his office window and fires in his household garbage bins.

And all because he wants to build on land he owns at Annangrove, a semi-rural settlement, with a population of 1989 and 641 households. While the president of the Annangrove Progress Association, Sharon Wells, is horrified at the brick attack and the fires, she regards the community campaign against Mr Aly's prayer centre as right.

It has set a record at the council, with 532 households responsible for all of the 4500 objection letters, 260 of which came from the one address. The deputy mayor, Michael Blair, who last night chaired an orderly "conciliation meeting" between Mr Aly and 400 objectors, said he alone had received 1000 letters.

Ms Wells said she had planning concerns - the amount of traffic, the noise, the unsightliness of the car park tarmac and the effect on a nearby park - but the council was also being asked to stop the development because of the "social impact" of a meeting place for Muslims.

"Most of the objections relate to traffic but they also don't see a need for it," Mr Blair said.

"There are very few, if any, of that faith that live in that neck of the woods. What they are concerned about is that if a Muslim house of worship is built then people will come from outside the area and interfere with an existing lifestyle."

Mr Aly said there were 25 Muslim families who wanted a local prayer hall, sparing themselves the drive to Lakemba or Rooty Hill. It was not a mosque but a more informal mehfil which, architecturally, looked like a single storey showroom or office. All services and meetings would be in English. It would be used twice a week for religious functions, which 80 people would attend. Three times a year, the number might reach 250.

Mr Aly had hoped it would promote assimilation and make it easier for other faiths to attend. Instead, his loyalty to Australia has been questioned.

"I play cricket, love my sport, I grew up in Wollongong, my only language is English. I have never been back to Tanzania and yet the mayor has made out that if you are not an Anglo-Saxon then you are not Australian," Mr Aly said.

The Mayor, John Griffith, yesterday refused to comment, although the ALP's Senator George Campbell had criticised him for provocative remarks made three weeks ago to an audience of 700 people.

"I am particularly concerned that Cr Griffiths, as mayor and a lay preacher, would inflame the situation by suggesting the safety of 'girls and ladies' is at risk if a mosque is built," Senator Campbell said. Cr Griffith also reportedly told the meeting: "Unless you get emotional, you won't win."

Mr Aly said he was so shocked that he had written to his political hero, John Howard. He had sent another letter to the Immigration Minister, Philip Ruddock, who had sent a hand-written and personal message of support to Mr Aly.


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To: smpc
remember....birds of feather, flock together!
21 posted on 11/29/2002 6:03:58 AM PST by thinking
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To: dennisw
Absolutely! The only way I will bow to Mecca is if someone manipulates my dead body in that direction. And if I ever have to enter a mosque, it won't be for fellowship. Actions speak louder that words and I've seen enough.
22 posted on 11/29/2002 8:31:11 AM PST by germanicus
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To: RightOnline
bttt
23 posted on 11/29/2002 8:32:13 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: smpc
Funny, really how they never expend energy on creating the political cover for stopping their jihadist brothers and sisters from slaughtering inosent people the world over, yet they find time to paint concerned citizens as bad people.

Dispite their best efforts, the onus should now, and in future, remain on todays islam which sufferes from the delusion that terrorism is an acceptable form of political speech.

24 posted on 11/29/2002 8:35:13 AM PST by ChadGore
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To: smpc
Let them build it and then just burn it to the ground; then pour pig's blood into the grounds. Treat their worship halls like they treat ours.
25 posted on 11/29/2002 8:39:49 AM PST by Centurion2000
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To: smpc
Put yourself in this man's shoes: he loves cricket, voted for John Howard, admires Liberal Party* values, owns a computer hardware company, has a building application before a council and is a Muslim. On six out of seven counts, he is everyman.

I count 6 items here, not 7. Is Deborah Cameron a product of California schools?

28 posted on 11/29/2002 10:55:47 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: jocon307
"...no Messiah in islam..."here ya go"

"According to these authentic and universally accepted Hadith:

The Promised Messiah is none other than hazrat Isa bin Maryam(pbuh) (Jesus);

He is a man of medium height and moderate complexion inclined to the red and white colors and of lank hair;

He will descend among Muslims, near the White Eastern Minaret of Damascus, Syria, clad in two yellow sheets (dyed with saffron), while leaning on the shoulders of two angels;

He will pray behind Imam Mahdi;

He will fight with, chase, and kills Dajjal (the Anti-Christ) at the gate of Ludd;

Messiah will rule justly according to the Laws of Islam and not Gospel;

People of the Book will accept him as a Messenger of Allah(SWT) and will embrace Islam (Quran 4:159); subsequently, Cross (Christianity) and Jizyah tax (on non-Muslims) will be abolished;

He will encounter attack of Gog and Magog and will be victorious;

Islam and justice will rule, oppression will be eliminated, and no fighting (War) will be needed (will be abolished);

Everyone will be well off and hatred, jealousy, and grudge will disappear;

Messiah will perform Hajj and..."

29 posted on 11/29/2002 11:04:05 AM PST by monkeywrench
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To: monkeywrench
I stand corrected, but unswayed. I used to be very blissfully ignorant of Islam, and I'm only sorry that that has to change. I evidently need to learn more about this religion, as well as my own Christian Faith and Judaism.

However, Islam's instrusion into my life hasn't been a happy one; nor has it or its adherents ever done anything to make me think it is a good thing in any way. The only thought I used to have about Islam was confusion about how so many African-American women would voluntarily convert to such a woman surpressing belief system.

Thank you for straightening me out on the Messiah issue, I apologize for the error.
30 posted on 11/29/2002 12:38:38 PM PST by jocon307
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To: jocon307
No apology necessary. These fanatics are trying to bring on the end.
31 posted on 11/29/2002 12:44:46 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: monkeywrench
"These fanatics are trying to bring on the end."

I'm afraid I agree. Hopefully, as with all others who have tried, like Brain the mouse, to TAKE OVER THE WORLD, the only end they'll bring about is their own.
32 posted on 11/29/2002 2:08:29 PM PST by jocon307
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To: American For Life
I'm afraid I don't quite get the point of your post. School vouchers, partial privatization of Social Security, Tax cuts, Faith-based initiatives...all of these are Republican ideas. The people who want to retain the status quo are so called "liberals".
33 posted on 11/29/2002 6:18:00 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: American For Life
I still don't get your point. Are you saying I am correct by pointing out the new precedent Republicans are setting? I guess you have a point, though I'd have to say that perhaps the religious leaders are setting a precedent themselves.
35 posted on 11/29/2002 6:49:49 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: smpc
"I am particularly concerned that Cr Griffiths, as mayor and a lay preacher, would inflame the situation by suggesting the safety of 'girls and ladies' is at risk if a mosque is built," Senator Campbell said. Cr Griffith also reportedly told the meeting

I guess he had his head up his ass over the last 5 years, as Australian women have suffered a horrific epidemic of Muslim gang rape. What an imbicile.

36 posted on 11/29/2002 6:59:00 PM PST by montag813
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To: dennisw
I was appalled to see Cardinal Law of Boston prostrating himself at a mosque for the Ramadan meal

Cardinal Law is a piece of exrement. Catholics in Boston should tar and feather and then draw and quarter him. In other words go "Colonial" on his pedophilic arse.

37 posted on 11/29/2002 7:01:04 PM PST by montag813
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