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The Bible teaches that God created Lucifer perfect in every way. Lucifer rebelled against God

That's interesting. So the nature of a "perfect" being is to rebel against God.

Very interesting.

To claim that somehow God's being all powerful makes Him responsible for the evil committed by man and Satan is an unfounded smear against the perfectly Holy character of God.

I think that the point is that if God created absolutely everything that exists (except for Himself) and if God knows absolutely everything then God knew before He made his creation just how it would turn out, and He could have done things differently so that events would have worked out differently had He chosen. As such, He is responsible for everything that did happen, including evil, since none of it would have happened without His original act of creation, and because He is all-knowing and all-powerful, there's no room to argue that unforseen variables cropped up.

I was out in the woods with my young son and walking by a small stream. I told him a couple of times to stay away from the water, 'cuz if he got wet we'd have to stop our hike and go back to the truck and get dry clothes on 'cuz it was chilly out.

On the third time he was out on the rocks a ways, looks back grinning 'cuz its fun and I'm not stopping him. Of course he slips on the wet moss and tumbles in. Scrapped himself a bit too.

So back to the truck with him crying wearing my jacket, me telling him he'll be okay, and then into some dry clothes (and a bandaid), and then back home.

Did I know what was going to happen? Yeah. Am I a not-all-powerful Dad because I let it happen? (No, I could have dragged him from the trail after the second time and carried him back to the truck before he got wet.)

But- what kind of life would that be for him - me always telling him what to do, and telling him how to do it. And, what kind of life would that be for me? Granted, my priority is not for him to love me (unlike God's), but I do think God and I agree that we want him to have a good, fulfilling life.

And all that stuff about destiny, known by God, etc. stuff is just a bunch of fancy words that gives me headaches. God is my Father, and I am His Child.

Jorge"The Bible teaches that God created Lucifer perfect in every way. Lucifer rebelled against God"

Dimensio"That's interesting. So the nature of a "perfect" being is to rebel against God.

Very interesting.

You're joking right?
You don't understand that rebellion against God is by definition a deliberate deviation from God's created design and intent for Lucifer?

According to your logic, even though God created male and female which reflected His created intent for sexuality...because some people pervert sex with homosexuality, bestiality etc. this is therefore the "nature of" God's design.

The idea that you don't comprehend the concept of free will and the nature of rebellion is just astounding.

Jorge "To claim that somehow God's being all powerful makes Him responsible for the evil committed by man and Satan is an unfounded smear against the perfectly Holy character of God."

Dimensio;I think that the point is that if God created absolutely everything that exists (except for Himself) and if God knows absolutely everything then God knew before He made his creation just how it would turn out, and He could have done things differently so that events would have worked out differently had He chosen. As such, He is responsible for everything that did happen, including evil, since none of it would have happened without His original act of creation, and because He is all-knowing and all-powerful, there's no room to argue that unforseen variables cropped up.

So according to you God is a sick sadistic monster Who is ultimately responsible for all the sin and rebellion against Him (which makes Him also a skitzo Who is at war with Himself) simply because He knew that by giving His creations free will that many would not chose to obey Him.

And God would have been much better off to create willess robots that could only do exactly as God programed them to...so He could spend eternity in the company of souless machines without the ability to choose anything at anytime...and no individual identity.

How awful of God to desire communion with free souls who were more than programmed machines...who were with Him out of their own free choice. Who desired to give love and be loved by creations who did so out of their own free choice.

Instead of denying free will or using it as a means to call God the creator of evil....can't you see the real implications of what an incredibly wonderful and benevolent God all this reveals Him to be?