Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?

frontpagemag ^ | 11/28/2002 | Serge Trifkovic

[crystalk]

Like many another Christian I do not want to be subscribed to any condensed creed made in the historical battles over Christian theology. Some of these formulations may not have been divinely inspired, and all of them are but poorly understood today because of the differences of century, language, and human experience.

I therefore will submit to be judged by the Bible as a whole, NT and OT, but not by formulas or creeds of theologians, including the one precisely that says the Bible teaches exactly a Trinity and not a Unity of God.

I have no trouble with what the NT as a whole says, on balance, about Jesus and the Spirit, but these creeds go a little far in asserting A is 100% true and that possible alternate view B-- is totally false. Let's leave some room for different paradigms within Scriptural Christianity, as Scripture itself does...

[nicmarlo]

I have no trouble with what the NT as a whole says, on balance, about Jesus and the Spirit, but these creeds go a little far in asserting A is 100% true and that possible alternate view B-- is totally false. Let's leave some room for different paradigms within Scriptural Christianity, as Scripture itself does...

I see no room in Scripture for a Christian to be able to deny the Holy Spirit; to deny Christ's deity; to deny the Father and still be saved. This is a black and white issue; the matter of speaking in tongues, believing or disbelieving, is not; our salvation does not depend upon belief in speaking in tongues. Believing that Jesus is God, that He died for us, and saved us does. Without belief in Christ as our Savior, we shall not be in heaven. And blaspheming the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin. There are many many Scriptures I could post to back up what I have said; a few of those follow:

Matthew 12
32 "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

Matthew 28
19 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

Mark 3
29 "But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." Ephesians 1
12 "in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession--to the praise of his glory."

Titus 3
4 "But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior"

John 1
1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it."

[Publius6961]

Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?

Who cares?

[GeekDejure]

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[Terriergal]

what Moslems fundamentally believe is that they know the true nature of the God

Actually, listening to a Catholic tape series on Islam - they talk about how Allah is "unknowable" - which makes it impossible to discern whether 'Allah is telling you to do something or whether it is from "Shetan'

My guess is most of the time they're one and the same.

So no, of course Islam, Christianity, and Judaism don't worship the same God. (no Muslim worth his salt would agree that they do either).

[Terriergal]

Islam involves a claim of prophecy in our own age of the world, i.e. within the last 2500 years. Neither Judaeism nor Christianity involve such a claim.

You obviously haven't been watching enough TBN!

[Terriergal]

lol! You mean "pot luck"?

[Terriergal]

I predict that someone will dispute your claim. (You heard it here first, folks!)

How didja know!?

[Terriergal]

I don't endorse much of TBN btw..

[Terriergal]

nice post. Sometimes I get the feeling Islam is the red horse. Also wonder if the 'beast' is an oppressive form of government e.g. communism or fascism.

[Terriergal]

I am not sure all Christian sects share the same God .

Good point! But then I'd put 'Christian' in quotes.

[Terriergal]

YES??? You actually said.... YES???

[nicmarlo]

You mean, you don't like Benny Hinn? : )

[Terriergal]

Oh geez he was half joking.

But only half. There are plenty of 'christian' sects and cults that one would argue do not worship the same god.

[Terriergal]

I suggest you read T.E. Lawrence's 'The Seven Pillars of Wisdom' to get some better idea of what you are talking about

Was this in actual reply to what Oberon posted? Cuz what he posted was a humorous one-liner, essentially...seems an odd reply to something like that.

[Terriergal]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church. I accept it as truth that: The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day." [CCC, 841] As I understand it, this teaching says that, insofar as the Muslims worship the same God as Abraham, they worship the One and Only true God.

Sounds like the Catholic Church has some revision or clarification work to do on that catechism.

If the Muslims are worshipping a God that says you can forcibly convert someone to Islam - and that Christianity and Judaism are lies, then who really cares if they *say* they worship the 'God of Abraham.' If they think that God allows this kind of act in his name,they are not worshipping the same God.

[Terriergal]

I agree with most of the rest of your post, however, the only spark of truth I see in Islam is that is is monotheistic. Even the demons believe in one God.

[Terriergal]

There's no way to come to the Father except through Jesus.

Then I assume you view Jews in the same light.

Yes. I do think eventually they will acknowledge Jesus. Many already have.

Zechariah 12:10 (and the entire chapter applies) is a verse of sadness but also of hope:

And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

[Cacique]

ping

[Terriergal]

The Bible has books of poetry and prophecy that speak symbolically. The Koran is like a collection of proverbs that don't necessarily have a logical organization. That's what he was saying.

What's wrong with saying there were giants? Ever heard of Big Louie?

Ever hear of the large human skeletons that have been found?

How about dinosaurs? They're pretty big. Perhaps there were a few Loch Ness monsters back then too, except on land. That is simply a reference to those phenomena.

Why are you on this thread if you don't believe in any of the religions mentioned in the body of the article? Of what value can your opinion be?