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Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?
frontpagemag ^ | 11/28/2002 | Serge Trifkovic

Posted on 11/28/2002 7:06:02 PM PST by TLBSHOW

Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?

One in a series of excerpts adapted by Robert Locke from Dr. Serge Trifkovic’s new book, The Sword of the Prophet: A Politically-Incorrect Guide to Islam

One of the clichés endlessly repeated by those who would conceal the dangerous potentialities inherent in Islam is that Moslems "believe in the same God" as Christians and Jews. But this is a severe distortion of the truth, for what Moslems fundamentally believe is that they know the true nature of the God that Judaism and Christianity tell lies about. Lies for which Christians and Jews will be punished in hell. The fact that Moslems share Levantine monotheism with us thus makes them more, not less, antagonistic to us on a religious level. Hopes for reconciliation on the grounds of common monotheism, as opposed to a realistic "good fences make good neighbors" civilizational détente, are wishful thinking.

The widespread belief in the non-Muslim world that Islam accords respect to the Old Testament and the Gospels as steps in progression to Mohammad’s revelation is mistaken. Modern Muslim apologists try to stress the supposed underlying similarities and compatibility of the three faiths, but this is not the view of orthodox Islam. Muhammad’s insistence that there is a heavenly proto-Scripture and that previous "books" are merely distorted and tainted copies sent to previous nations or communities means that these scriptures are the "barbarous Koran" as opposed to the true, Arabic one. (Let’s leave aside for a minute the puzzling question of how any degree of "distortion" of the Koran could produce either an Old or a New Testament.) The Tradition also regards the non-canonical Gospel of Barnabas, and not the New Testament, as the one that Jesus taught. The Koran alone is the true word of God and sets aside all previous revelations.

While the influence of orthodox Christianity upon the Koran has been slight, apocryphal and heretical Christian legends are the second most important original source of Islam. In other words, Islam contains an awful lot that Christians have deliberately rejected over the years as religiously unsound. There are also influences of Sabaism, of Zoroastrianism, and of ancient Arabian paganism, including the divine sanction for the practices of polygamy and slavery. The reports in both the Koran and the Hadith (authoritative traditional sayings) concerning paradise, the houris, (virgins) the youths, the jinn (genies) and the angel of death have been directly taken from the ancient books of the Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism also originated the story that on the Day of Judgment all people will have to cross a bridge stretched across hell leading to paradise on which the unbelievers will stumble and fall down to hell.

The biblical stories been passed on to Muhammad presumably from Jewish and Christian sources, but it is probable that he never read the Old or the New Testament. Those narratives had deeply impressed him, but being incomplete and imprecise, they gave his imagination free rein. Of the books of the Old Testament he knew only of the Torah or Pentateuch and the Book of Psalms, while the Scriptures he treats collectively as "the Gospels." Muhammad took these narratives as they were given to him, and their use in the Koran amounts to random, approximate and often badly misunderstood reproduction of the Talmudic traditions and the Apocrypha. Moreover, they are of course devoid of their original contexts and of the spiritual message of the original.

Many Old Testament stories are changed beyond recognition, and can be treated as a "source" only in the most general sense. Abraham did not offer Isaac, but Ishmael, as a sacrifice. "Haman" was pharaoh’s chief minister, even though the Haman known to Jews lived in Babylon one thousand years later. Moses was picked from the river not by his sister but by his mother. A Samaritan was the one who molded the golden calf for the children of Israel and misguided them, even though Samarians arrived only after the Babylonian exile. The accounts of Moses’ life are sketchy and say nothing of his character, descent, the time he was sent as a prophet, the purpose of his mission, and where, how and why he appointed Aaron as his deputy. It does not relate the argument between them and the people of Israel, which is crucial to the story. The story of Noah reflected Muhammad’s dilemmas and difficulties rather than Noah’s mission, and even the names of the idols that Noah warns against are Arabic.

The Koran makes reference to Jesus, Mary and events related to them, but with a critical distinction. It explicitly denies that Jesus was crucified: Allah made the Jews so confused that they crucified somebody else instead who had the likeness of Christ: "They slew him not nor crucified but it appeared so unto them." Muslims claim that an impostor by the name of Shabih was crucified, and he resembled Jesus in his face only. It seems illogical to those who count "proud" as one of the "99 most beautiful names of Allah" that Jesus, who was capable of raising the dead and of healing the blind and the leper, willingly submitted to the cross and failed to destroy the Jews who intended to hurt him. Islam rejects the whole concept of the crucifixion, claiming that it is against reason to assume that Allah would not forgive man’s sins without the cross: to say so is to limit his power: "He forgives whom he will, and he chastises whom he will."

The denial of the Trinity is also explicit: Allah begets not, i.e. he is no Father; and was not begotten, that is, he is no Son; and no one is like him, which means he is no Holy Spirit. "They are infidels who say, Allah is the third of three." But "Isa" is not the Son of Allah, only a special prophet, and the Christians’ contrary claim shows how they are perverted. The Christians are guilty of blasphemy because of their belief in the "trinity" of Allah, Mary, and Jesus. The "real" Jesus was a righteous prophet and a good Muslim who paved the way for the final prophet, Muhammad himself.

There is a wishful myth in circulation among liberals that Islam accords respect to all "people of the book," i.e. Christians and Jews in addition to Moslems. While Islam indeed accords them a higher standing than it does to polytheists like Hindus (pace the question of whether Hinduism properly understood is truly polytheistic) or African animists, this hardly amounts to respect. Of all the "people of the book" only Muslims can attain salvation. Jews’ and Christians’ refusal to acknowledge Mohammed as the messenger of God dooms them to unbelief and eternal suffering after death. Christians are mortal sinners because of their belief in the divinity of Christ, and their condemnation is irrevocable: "God will forbid him the garden and the fire will be his abode."

Unlike the Christian faith in God revealing Himself through Christ, the Koran is not a revelation of Allah – a heretical concept in Islam – but the direct revelation of his commandments and the communication of his law. It has been said that the Koran, to a Muslim, is not the perfected Gospel, it Christ, the Word Incarnate. This is a somewhat tenuous metaphor, however, not a valid parallel: Christian God "comes down" and seeks man because of His fatherly love. The Fall cast a shadow, the Incarnation makes reconciliation possible. Allah, by contrast, is cold, haughty, unpredictable, unknowable, capricious, distant, and so purely transcendent that no "relationship" is possible. He reveals only his will, not himself. Allah is "everywhere," and therefore nowhere relevant to us. He is uninterested in making our acquaintance, let alone in being near to us because of love. We are still utterly unable to grasp his purposes and all we can do is what we have to do, to obey his command.

The Koran claims to be the fulfillment of a religious design which was imperfectly revealed to the Jews and to the Christians. It is the crowning synthesis, the final word. But viewing the matter objectively, leaving aside for a moment the question of the actual truth of the book, it seems hard to see how the Koran is a synthesis of anything. The way in which Christianity makes sense – again, simply as a logical matter and leaving aside the truth of it – as a fulfillment of Judaism, is clear even to the unbeliever. But the Koran’s claim is singularly implausible. Non-Muslim commentators fail to see in what way is the Koran an improvement over, or advancement on, the moral teaching, language, style, or coherence of the Old and New Testament. It is looks, feels, sounds like a construct entirely human in origin and intent, clear in its earthly sources of inspiration and the fulfillment of the daily needs, personal and political, of its author.

Finally, one cannot ignore that whatever mildly friendly things the Koran may say about Judaism and Christianity in its early part, the late Surras also signify the final break with the Jews and Christians, who are fiercely denounced. The Muslims must be merciless to the unbelievers but kind to each other. "Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them." War, not friendship, is mandatory until Islam reigns everywhere. Muslims are ordered to fight the unbelievers, "and let them find harshness in you." They must kill the unbelievers "wherever you find them." The punishment for resistance is execution or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides. By the stage in his life during which these Surras were written, Muhammad was no longer trying to convert his hearers by examples, promises, and warnings; he addresses them as their master and sovereign, praising them or blaming them for their conduct, giving laws and precepts as needed. His raw dogmatism stands, finally, naked of all pretence.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; christians; god; jews; moslems
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To: Gal.5:1
"...a huge religious deception will occur"

Could that be the Islam=Peace thing-y I've been hearing so much about?
121 posted on 11/28/2002 9:26:53 PM PST by jocon307
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To: SickOfItAll
Christians are under attack because Christianity is a threat. There are other reasons than the "threat," of course. There's also, I believe, Satan's wanting to get back at God, to hurt Him. The best way to do that is to attack His children. Besides threat and revenge, there's other reasons. Those who are not "of God," do not understand this, do not see this, for they are blinded to the Truth.
122 posted on 11/28/2002 9:27:06 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: rastus macgill
Spain expelled all Muslims in 1492 and had the whole Inquisition to make sure none could sneak back in.
124 posted on 11/28/2002 9:27:57 PM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk
Now I remember this is the same person who said there are No Roman Catholic Palestineans despite the fact that they number from 3-10% wether you count hem inside or outside the WB
125 posted on 11/28/2002 9:28:30 PM PST by rastus macgill
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To: TLBSHOW
TLB,

Thanks for this--I hope you had a good Thanksgiving.

One time when I was flying out of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), a car came speeding up to the aircraft as I was doing a pre-flight inspection. A man walked out carrying my bible, which I had left at the Hilton Hotel I had stayed at the previous night.

I was very grateful and accepted it. The man picked up the book like it was a piece of manure, and handed it to me like it was radioactive.

He gave also gave me an English copy of the Koran. I found this interesting, and I read portions of it the next day.

I defy anyone to read the Koran and not see it as a bunch of tripe. Every 4th or 5th sentence is entirely out of context, nonsensical, and completely contradictory.

126 posted on 11/28/2002 9:28:39 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: crystalk
But Franklin and Jefferson* and Washington would have been horrified to think the evil superstition of the Turk and the Barbary Pirate was protected under the Consitution they were writing.

If this is the case, then why does the First Amendment not specifically address the matter? Why does it use the general term "religion" rather than the more specific "Christianity and Judaism"? Why were early drafts that were more specific rejected in favour of the text that is there?
127 posted on 11/28/2002 9:29:01 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Democracy1154
You have just committed a bannable offense on FR. You are NEVER to suggest that there are Muslims who are not psychotic bloodthirst freaks. We at FR know that every Muslim is a Shi'ite Muslim (those Sunnis are really Shi'ites in disguise, hidden terrorist cells) and we will destroy anyone who suggests otherwise, especially if they present 'evidence'.
129 posted on 11/28/2002 9:30:41 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: crystalk
Sincere conversions and 15th century bureaucratic efficency
Yup No Muslims
130 posted on 11/28/2002 9:30:42 PM PST by rastus macgill
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To: fatidic
Don't you wish Allah would do the killing when someone "blasmphemes" him or his evil prophet instead of requiring Muslims to kill for him?

If you're saying than modern Jews and Christians are less likely to carry out the viler aspects of their "holy books" than Muslims, then I agree. But in terms of text, and history, all three religions are less than perfect. In olden days, all three relgions had followers who killed in their name of their God.

But the article tries to tell us that the Koran is textually bloodier than the Bible -- and I don't buy that.

131 posted on 11/28/2002 9:32:35 PM PST by Commie Basher
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To: SkyPilot
I defy anyone to read the Koran and not see it as a bunch of tripe. Every 4th or 5th sentence is entirely out of context, nonsensical, and completely contradictory.

I have read it, no, not all, nor studied it. But I have read quit a bit of it and what you say is true; it is written poorly and without logic. It rambles. And that is the reason why I have not read it in depth....I majored in English in college. I believe I have the right to critique works of literature, based on my many years' experience doing so, as required for my degree. It is a horribly, horribly written book. I seen no "divine" or literary genius in its words, whatsoever.

132 posted on 11/28/2002 9:32:49 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: TLBSHOW
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ

John

Can't find anything in Scriptures about Mohummad. I vote NO!

133 posted on 11/28/2002 9:33:23 PM PST by Conservative4Ever
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To: rastus macgill
Interesting website here about Muslims enslaved in America.

http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/book99/afr-slavbk.htm

Author estimates 10-25% of slaves transported to American were Muslim. Probably high, and many West African Muslims were only nominally so.

Haven't read the book, but it probably suffers from rampant PC-disease.

But there were enslaved African Muslims in Portugal and Spain long before Columbus.

134 posted on 11/28/2002 9:33:48 PM PST by Restorer
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To: crystalk
Spain expelled all Muslims in 1492 and had the whole Inquisition to make sure none could sneak back in.

Spain also expelled the Jews, who were Muslim allies at that time. FWIW.

136 posted on 11/28/2002 9:36:51 PM PST by Commie Basher
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To: crystalk
But Franklin and Jefferson* and Washington would have been horrified to think the evil superstition of the Turk and the Barbary Pirate was protected under the Consitution they were writing.

I believe it was Jefferson who during one of the disputes with the Barbay pirates specifically denied that the US was a Christian nation and stated that Muslims would have freedom of religion here.

138 posted on 11/28/2002 9:38:10 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
Thanks for the back up
Nominally so applies to many religous adherents of no education and poverty
especially when the authorities of the faith were enforcing it with violence
Nominally so applies to the Christian faith of many of my/our Euro ancestors
139 posted on 11/28/2002 9:38:52 PM PST by rastus macgill
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To: Maedhros
The Bible clearly says that Jesus said "No man comes to the Father but by Me." And "I am the way, the Truth and the Life". There's no way to come to the Father except through Jesus.

Muslims and Christians do not serve the same god.
140 posted on 11/28/2002 9:39:05 PM PST by No dems 2002
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