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To: SpinyNorman
Well, like it or not, something had to be done with the culture of mutual exclusivity that the CIA, FBI etc. had going.

This didn't require that we allow the FBI to spy on us and collect our purchase records.

Plus most of these organizations have to be purged of the Clintonoids.

They have even more powers now. Bush won't be president forever.

In realization of this, Bush pushed hard against he civil service unions taking or retaining control of the groups. This the only way to do it.

Irrelevant and inconsequential since it grows government in spite of this "concession."

Otherwise, they become like the Postal Service, a clearinghouse for "diversity" and other PC crap.

They will still be a clearing house for diversity and PC crap since it is federal EEOC law which regulates this unions or not and hasn't been repealed.

I agree with you re: the Farm bill and the ed bill. I can only offer that Bush had to appease some groups and suck up to enough swing congressmen to get legislation passed.

He is no leader then. Legislation which greatly expands federal powers does not have to be passed. In fact, nobody has yet explained what problem was solved with the Education and Farm bills other than the fact that perhaps the fedgov was just too damn small.

If there is one thing the liberal Dems have taught us, it is that incremental changes add up, and patience is a virtue.

Learned so well by the republicans that they are continuing in the very same tradition. Excepting they're steering the ship in the same direction.

Bottom line though, and back to the topic at hand, can you seriously say that there would be no difference if Gore were President today vs. W?

It would be better in fact because the republicans might just start opposing the democrats instead of furthering their agenda. If homeland security or the Patriot act were asked for by a democrat president, Freepers would circle the wagons.

190 posted on 11/27/2002 3:58:27 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
Hmmm, food for thought! I am becoming convinced on some of your points. But what about things like the Kyoto treaty, or Supreme Court nominations? Yeah, there could be screwups here, but I would probably rather see Bush's picks than Gore's (with the "let's wait and see" disclaimer).

I guess the proof will be in what happens when the new Congress gets to town. I am leery of Lott. Hope he gets a spine for Christmas!

199 posted on 11/27/2002 4:54:54 PM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: Demidog
Look at it this way demi...if even half of everything you predict is true you won't be complaining much longer.
218 posted on 11/28/2002 5:44:24 PM PST by CWOJackson
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