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To: sam_paine
"I have been screamed at many times on this board because it's a CONSERVATIVE forum! If you don't like FREE TRADE
the go to DU where you belong!!!"

It sounds more like you are the one who belongs there. If you had any idea of how free trade is stripping our nation of its wealth and the middle class(manufacturing) then you would know just how bad all of this is. In this age we don't don't make much in this country anymore. Most of it comes from China. Under this system those who live with the poorest wage get the manufacturing. That is not the USA. We are going to be in a pickle if we have another global War or if some country like China decides that they are big enough to dictate to us. We won't have the ability to make a refrigerator by our selves anymore. I also read into some comments the other day about how easy it would be to smuggle bombs and such into this country because of the massive inflow of goods from other country's. All the way around we have stripped the country of its heart under free trade. We have sold out the inventory sort of say. We are now like baby's dependent on the work of others. Why would this be done? Well only one thing does make sense. And the rest of news supports it. We are rushing into a one world everything. Just the environment needed for the rule of the antichrist.
47 posted on 11/26/2002 2:51:43 PM PST by Revel
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To: Revel
In this age we don't don't make much in this country anymore. Most of it comes from China.

That's just wrong, and it really does nicely introduce your bizarre leap from Chinese trade to the antichrist!!! Wowsers. I'll have whatever you're having. LOL!!!

Look, China was making rice and drink umbrellas 50 years ago when we were developing nukes...it should be no surprise that they are making huge percentage gains on those fuly industrialized countries which they have been following. (See the last para. quote) Sure they will continue to pull themselves up, but they too will hit an asymptotic development wall and a communist central planning regime will never be able to match the continued innovation that keeps American Manufacturing at the forefront. And the antichrist may show up for other reasons such as Islam, but he ain't coming because of a trade deficit!!!!!


Here's an interesting Indian perspective on world trade "The Continuing Paradox of World Manufacturing Employment"
-SNIP-

Of course, within this, the shift in location of manufacturing production from developed to developing countries can be exaggerated. As Chart 2b indicates, even in 2000, certain developed countries dominated world trade in manufactured goods. Indeed, the United States, the European Union and Japan together still accounted for more than 60 per cent of manufactured exports in 2000. But what is evident is that the share of the major developed country exporters had come down even over the decade of the 1990s, continuing a process that had begun earlier and was clearly evident in the 1980s.

Thus, as is clear from a comparison of Charts 2a and 2b, the share of Germany in world manufacturing exports fell quite sharply from 16 per cent to 10 per cent over the decade, and most other major developed country exporters experienced declines in their shares of at least one percentage point or more. Only the United States increased its share, from 12 to 14 per cent, contrary to the widely held perception that it dominated world manufactured goods trade only by virtue of its huge capacity for manufactured imports. In contrast to this, countries like the People's Republic of China and Mexico managed to nearly triple their shares (albeit from relatively low bases) over this period.

Chart 2a >>

Chart 2b >>

These trends are confirmed by the rates of growth of manufacturing exports of the major exporters, as shown in Chart 3. Among the major developed industrial countries, the US experienced by far the fastest rate of manufactured export expansion. However, a number of developing countries showed dramatically high rates of export growth of nearly 20 per cent annual average over the decade. It should be noted that this cover the period from 1990 to 2000, and so includes periods like the East Asian crisis and the subsequent world economic recession, during which such export growth could be expected to have slowed down somewhat.

Chart 3 >>

With such rapid rates of manufacturing export growth, fears of de-industrialisation would appear to be misplaced. In any case, such high rates would suggest that employment in manufacturing would also have grown at reasonably high, or at least positive, rates, over this period. However, the UNIDO data on aggregate employment in manufacturing over the period 1985-99, as described for some countries in Chart 4, suggest a very different tendency. In fact, it turns out that in most of the countries, aggregate manufacturing employment has actually fallen, in some cases quite substantially. Chart 4 >>

Among major developed countries, only the United States shows a positive rate of employment growth for aggregate manufacturing, and that too only the very low rate of 0.1 per cent per annum, which is akin to stagnation. Other developed countries show declines in manufacturing employment. But the real shock comes with the developing countries which are major manufactured exporters. Some countries like Mexico, with manufactured exports growing at nearly 20 per cent per annum, have nevertheless experienced actual declines in aggregate manufacturing employment.


51 posted on 11/26/2002 4:30:02 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: Revel
Good post.

The average US income is in the neighborhood of $30,000 a year. The average worlwide income is around $600 a year. We forgot that poor countries have just as much God given intelligence as we have and what had been our strong advantages--- an excellent education system and a high savings rate--- are a shadow of what they were even 30 years ago.
Free trade means that their is one global market for labor, and if your job can shipped overseas, it will be. Manufacturing is headed to Mexico or Asia, even service jobs are being shipped abroad (abig trend now is shipping call centers and software programming to India).

If you make your income by the return on your investments, then free trade is great. If you feed your children by the wages of your job, then free trade isn't such a great thing.

There is a great website by the Tokyo-based journalist Eamonn Fingleton that lays out the problem much more eloquently and learnedly than I can... http://www.unsustainable.org/
53 posted on 11/26/2002 4:49:55 PM PST by Maximum Leader
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