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To: dirtboy
What the hell ever happened to fact checking?

The "facts" are buried in a two-inch-thick document written in a language resembling Old High Martian. Worse, it has become a matter of common knowledge that such obfuscation is a standard tactic used to enact outragously self-serving, abusive, or otherwise unacceptable agendas that would get the sponsoring politician tarred and feathered if advanced in the light of day.

Frankly, the feds have only themselves to blame if people assume the worst. They've come to this well too often, and now somebody's gone and peed in it.

54 posted on 11/26/2002 8:20:00 AM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b; dirtboy; Darlin'
Frankly, the feds have only themselves to blame if people assume the worst.

The Elian Raiders still work for the INS.

Lon Horiuchi still draws a government salary.

The FBI agent that shot that kid's face off still has his job.

Tell us again, apologists, why we should believe the fine words in the PA, HSA, and TIA?

58 posted on 11/26/2002 8:24:05 AM PST by eno_
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To: steve-b
The "facts" are buried in a two-inch-thick document written in a language resembling Old High Martian.

Ten minutes of word searching revealed that there was no mention of TIA. Or DARPA. Or transaction data. Or anything else remotely resembling the subject. Safire probably saw a new sub-agency called HSARPA and thought it was DARPA, and pulled a bunch of stuff out of his butt from there.

Worse, it has become a matter of common knowledge that such obfuscation is a standard tactic used to enact outragously self-serving, abusive, or otherwise unacceptable agendas that would get the sponsoring politician tarred and feathered if advanced in the light of day.

Hey, I've read most of the initial bill as passed by the House, and now I've started reading the final bill. It isn't that hard - five, six hours of reading is sufficient. Plus, Bob Barr, of all people, fell for Safire's claims, and later retracted. You would think that a Congressman would have a staffer verify that information before publicly commenting on it.

Frankly, the feds have only themselves to blame if people assume the worst. They've come to this well too often, and now somebody's gone and peed in it.

I think there's a lot more to it than that. What is a more controversial talk-radio topic - "The Homeland Security Act: A Net Increase in Privacy?", or "The Homeland Security Act: The End of the Republic as We Know It!" - I have e-mailed corrective information to a certain talk-radio host regarding this matter, and he refuses to correct his statements, as opposed to the Cato Institute, who corrected the same error on their home page. Certain elements in the conservative and libertarian media will always not only assume the worst, but try and fan the flames of perception because it's good for ratings. That is what I am seeing here, and I don't like it.

60 posted on 11/26/2002 8:29:03 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: steve-b
Your 54 is dead on the target.
80 posted on 11/26/2002 10:53:35 AM PST by Travis McGee
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