[MissAmericanPie]

Seems to me what we lost is the freedom to be secure in our documents, papers, personal effects, from unreasonable searches and seizures, without probable cause. We lost the 4th amendment. So far it's not looking good for our side with these Republicans in office. CFR, now this.

What business does the Pentagon, or Homeland security have keeping files on the transactions and exchanges of each and every law abiding American? I don't think bouncing a little rubble in Afghanistan warrants or justifies attacks on inalienable rights.

Is this "privacy agency" capable of making the determination of who is "innocent"? What standards do they use to make that determination? Are we to allow them to rip the 4th Amendment from the Constitution and place our right to be secure in our papers and possessions in their clumsy hands given that there has never been an agency in D.C. that is not either abusive, corrupt, inept or all three?

Is George Bush king? How will he be able to insure that Gore or Clinton doesn't abuse this? That's simple, he can't. I guess if your innocent you have nothing to worry about, right? No innocent has ever been the victim of IRS ineptitude or malice, right?

This is more than just the government knowing what every marketing business knows, what soft drink you buy, what your credit card balance is. It goes much deeper than that. Is there trouble in your marriage, who do you owe, what the topic of that very private conversation you had with your broker was. Are you getting along with your boss, does your kid smoke pot. And once that spotlight is put on you, innocent or guilty, there is no where to hide. Not many are so innocent that there are not a few skeletons in their closet, or at the very least something that can be embarassing or misconstrued. You know, something PRIVATE.

[tpaine]

Well said Miss Pie.

"How will he [George Bush] be able to insure that Gore or Clinton doesn't abuse this? That's simple, he can't."

Don't expect these FR clowns I've flagged, -- who ~claim~ themselves to be 'conservatives', -- to answer that question.
-- They don't care. They cheer all big govenment schemes, and make fun of liberty & freedom.

[tpaine]

Well said Miss Pie.

"How will he [George Bush] be able to insure that Gore or Clinton doesn't abuse this? That's simple, he can't."

Don't expect these FR clowns I've flagged, -- who ~claim~ themselves to be 'conservatives', -- to answer that question.
-- They don't care. They cheer all big govenment schemes, and make fun of liberty & freedom.

[tpaine]

Well said Miss Pie.

"How will he [George Bush] be able to insure that Gore or Clinton doesn't abuse this? That's simple, he can't."

Don't expect these FR clowns I've flagged, -- who ~claim~ themselves to be 'conservatives', -- to answer that question.
-- They don't care. They cheer all big govenment schemes, and make fun of liberty & freedom.

[nopardons]

If you use the net to buy things and pay your bills from, and use credit cards, for any purchases, YOUR " private " info is already out there and available to almost ANYONE already.

You THE SKY IS FALLING DOWN types, keep forgetting this fact and now think that the Homeland Security department is going to be going after Y-O-U . The Clintons went after people B-E-F-O-E this department was created. They didn't need it. They won't need it, should Hitlery ever become president ( GOD FOREFEND ! ) and decides to go after any one else.