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To: Texasforever
Or is what you are saying that every Muslim in this country and around the world should be open season with no bag limit?

What I am saying is that Christendom is at war with Islam. When the administration finally comes out and admits that obvious fact, I'll shut up.

But they won't -- because Western Man is so debased and secularized that he can no longer define his own civilzation, no longer even admit that Christendom exists. Instead, our war is a war of a nebulous "us" (The U.S.? Democracy? NATO? What?) against an equally-vaporous "terrorism" (The IRA? All militant Islamists except Arafat? Saddam?). We are so paralyzed by our own desire to avoid offending somebody that we can't even forthrightly define ourselves -- or those who wish to destroy us.

Until we as a civilization explicitly define "us" as Western, Christian civilization and Them as Islam and its collaborators, we're going to be fighting an interminable war against a phantom enemy. But we can't do that, of course. Might hurt somebody's feeeeeelings.

We can't say "Islam is the enemy", because there are plenty of Moslems who don't want to kill or convert every Christian they see, and it's not fair to the nice ones to tar them with the same brush as the nasty ones -- right? Wrong. The enemy is not hampered by the same unwillingness to destroy the "good" Christians, because, to a Moslem , even the peaceful ones, there are no "good Christians": there are only Kaffirs who should either submit to Allah or die. Our Christian culture is the only one interested in peaceful coexistence; the Moslem believer suffers under no such delusion.

And that's why the Coulter Doctrine is so controversial. Tolerant Christians are revolted by the idea that we should "invade their countries, execute their leaders, and convert them to Christianity". But that's the only way we'll ever win this war -- because anything less will only make the problem worse.

Am I advocating "open season on Moslems"? No. I'm advocating that we fight this war for real, the way we did the Nazis. Just as our ultimate goal in World War II was the subjugation of naziism and fascism under the bootheel of liberal democracy, the ultimate goal of this war should be the subjugation of Islam under the bootheel of Christendom. Any Moslem terrorist or soldier who takes up arms against us or our allies should be killed, their homeland invaded, and a puppet government controlled by us installed there. These conquered coutries should then be deluged by Christian missionaries, Christian churches, and Christian culture, and Islam relegated to the status of a tolerated minority faith. As for Moslems living in the United States, they should be infiltrated, watched, monitored, and (if suspected of acting against the United States) detained and tried for treason. The same goes for other foreign nationals. The borders should be militarized, all illegals expelled, and fingerprint IDs issued to all U.S. citizens.

But we won't. Because that would be mean. And unamerican. And the Europeans wouldn't like it much, either. Well, war is mean; the only civil right that matters in the end is survival; and to hell with what the Europeans think.

But to say so out loud is simply unnaceptable.

So -- bartender! More Religion of Peace® all around! My throat gets dry from whistling past the graveyard.

130 posted on 11/24/2002 11:05:47 PM PST by B-Chan
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To: B-Chan
Christendom is at war with Islam

No it is NOT. We are at war with people. I reject religious war. I don't want to be constrained by it. You and many on this thread sound just as insane as any Mullah in the Middle East. I want to kick ass and take names without the idiotic “God” is on our side crap. What if they beat us? Does that mean that God was on their side? Was God on their side when he allowed 19 men to get past our security and hijack 4 planes on 911?

140 posted on 11/24/2002 11:12:24 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: B-Chan; Texasforever; Luis Gonzalez
"...Christendom is at war with Islam. When the administration finally comes out and admits that obvious fact, I'll shut up."

The leader of the free world, GWB, is not that stupid.

You can throw all the childish tantrums you want, but neither you, nor any other superficial, naive mentality here or abroad, will be permitted to follow in the footsteps of other wild-eyed fanatics and frame this world-wide secular war against terror as a religious war.

President Bush has correctly framed the war this way: "We will bring the EVILDOERS to justice".

People in nations all around the world (regardless of their religious beliefs) are able to stand with us in this war if it is framed and fought under that banner.

As long as you self-righteously try to make this a war between religions you play right into the hands of our enemies and only serve to make GWB's job a lot harder.

LAY OFF

146 posted on 11/24/2002 11:27:45 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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