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Group fears escalating border tension: Calls self-proclaimed militia members 'domestic terrorists'
Sierra Vista Herald-Review ^ | 11/24/02 | Bill Hess

Posted on 11/24/2002 7:49:31 AM PST by Tancredo Fan

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To: Tancredo Fan
Castillo, the co-chair of Coalicion de Derechos Humanos, said extreme right-wing groups want war with Mexico as a way to stop the flow of people coming into the United States whose only crime is to seek work.


The last I heard, illegally entering this country and getting employed illegally is a crime, as is not paying income taxes or Social Security. Then, add to that the huge numbers that get illegal documentation, drivers licences under false pretenses, "free" public services and vote.

Enough is enough.

If people like this mumblefunk Castillo want trouble, they are looking in the right place. He's a liar and is aiding and abetting criminals, pure and simple - despite his high-fallutin rhetoric about rights.

Quite frankly, it's getting to the point where I almost hope violence starts. That way, it will attract attention and put pressure on our effete politicians to get this thing resolved in favor of Americans, not Mexicans. If they don't want to resolve it, we need to throw the whole stinkin' lot of 'em out and start fresh with somebody who does.

If Mexicans don't like their country, they can revolt and change it to their liking. We don't want them changing ours to suit their liking and we don't need their rampant illegalities disguised as "civil rights"!

41 posted on 11/24/2002 10:34:44 AM PST by Gritty
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To: sarcasm
The United Nations Plan 21 is in 'full stream ahead' with the Bush Administration and The Homeland Security Plans are sitting on the back burner. "Sovereignty" and "National Security" are forbidden terms in the Bush Administration unless spoken in the same sentence as Iraq. Do not try to say either of those words with "illegal immigration" in a sentence or you and your family will be investigated by the I.R.S. and the F.B.I.
42 posted on 11/24/2002 10:37:48 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: janetgreen
I'm most happy that groups like American Border Patrol, Ranch Rescue, and the Tombstone Militia have flushed this Derechos Humanos scum out of the bushes and expose them for what they really are; a Mexican fifth column. Now the traitorous likes of Garcia and Castillo are beginning to make mistakes.... like this one:

A historian, Castillo said groups such as the American Border Patrol and a militia organization in Tombstone "have no right to talk about the border issue."

Who the hell is this Castillo to say that Americans shouldn't have first amendment rights when referring to seditionists like herself and pests like the Mexican government? As for Garcia, it's a shame that the likes of her is actually on the Pima County payroll. The loser ought to be in prison.

44 posted on 11/24/2002 10:49:22 AM PST by Tancredo Fan
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To: nobdysfool
The solution to illegal aliens is to deport them, plain and simple!

I've been doing a lot of thinking about illegal aliens and the politicians whining about not having enough money, they're wanting to raise our taxes as a solution to the budget problems.

This just might be a solution. See if you like it.

Educate a couple of hundred young energetic people who feel American Patriotism is a finer character asset than Diversity is, to an idea like this one. Then these people would need to go face to face with the residents of a small populated rural county and explain how it would work and benefit their them, their kids, and their grandkids.

Get the county population educated to the idea of electing a Sheriff who will go face to face with the Federal government. He is going to need legal advice on how to do all of this. Ideally we would want local attorneys or judges to provide this advice. Hey, before you run off...they have kids and grandkids too.

Getting the Sheriff and County officials to go along with it is another subject. Just maybe you might be able to find someone who thinks as I do, that illegal aliens are parasites in America, and they could spread the idea amongst the citizens of the County. Then the citizens could write a petition to force the Council and Sheriff to follow their instructions. If we could get the Sheriff and local County officials of a lesser populated County with a budget deficit and normal high taxes to declare that all illegal aliens from every nation will be arrested and removed from the County in 30 or 60 days.

All assets not removed from the County must be assigned by the illegal alien to be sold with registered agents or they will be seized by the Sheriff and sold. These funds will be divided between the Sheriffs Office and the County budget officials for expenses.

All people employing illegal aliens will also be arrested and fined. Perhaps $5000 per employee. This would prompt employers to demand that their employees bring in birth certificates, etc. This keeps the government out of our personal records any more than necessary.

The hiring of non citizens that have entered the US legally with the assistance of Immigration and Naturalization Services will of course be encouraged. Only the hiring of illegal aliens will be reason for arrest and stiff fines.

Perhaps ads could be placed in the newspapers of the surrounding counties to obtain legal workers for the farm, ranch, gas station local K-Mart to replace the ones who are leaving. A local 800 number could be updated daily with jobs available in the County.

All people giving aid or care to illegal aliens will also be arrested and fined. This would include illegal aliens who are family members.

This will result in no or very few illegal aliens going to the local hospitals for medical attention. The hospital will start making money instead of heading into bankruptcy.

This will bring welfare for illegal aliens to a screeching halt. This alone will do much for the local budget.

School districts would require much less money because the new residents in the county would certainly be more able to speak English.

Imagine what that would do to surrounding Counties with a similar budget deficit. Do you think it might prompt them to do a similar actions? Do you think it might convince the State officials when enough Counties have adopted these measures that we citizens are serious in our desire to protect our communities from being over run by illegal aliens?

I think half a dozen community residents that are involved in the legal system and the business community could work out what to do to make an idea similar to this work in their community.


For the legal minded folks I have included a statement from one of the cases that made it through the Supreme Court. Unless there are State laws forbidding such actions as I have suggested, I think everything legally is above the table. A local judge could give the Sheriff advice on how to handle the little tweak of the laws.

The federal Gov't may neither issue directives requiring the States to address particular problems, nor command State' officers, or those of their political subdivisions, to administer or enforce a federal regulatory program. It matters not whether policy making is involved, and no case by case weighing of the burdens or benefits is necessary; such commands are fundamentally incompatible with our constitutional system of dual sovereignty.

Justice Antonin Scalia, Mack vs US., June 27, 1997


The way I see it is that given the opportunity and enough notice to move their families safely, the illegal aliens would pack up and leave rather than fight a Sheriff who is broadcasting that just because the Feds aren't going to enforce the immigration laws doesn't mean he isn't.

Employers would rather make a company policy that all employees must prove that they are American citizens or in the United States legally than be fined $5000 for supporting open border policy. Give employers a chance to advertise for critical employees who are currently illegal aliens so their businesses don't suffer a drastic skill shortage.

Just as an add on, I imagine that the local crime rates would be continually dropping until it reached an acceptable level.

Surrounding rural counties would surely catch on quickly to the benefits and start similar programs. All it would take is one newspaper article about the city council needing money for some public service. There is much more rural county land in the US than cities in county land.

I imagine that it wouldn't take too long before cities would simply not be able to afford to support all the illegals who are on taxpayer paid benefits. Consequently, like it or not they would have to fall in line.

I have no idea how fast an idea such as this would spread and actually take firm hold causing neighboring state legislators to look at the idea BEFORE their state was swamped with illegal aliens and the taxpayers rose up demanding immediate solutions. The crime rate amongst illegals is very high as it is. A plan such a this could send it through the ceiling.

This would be dangerous because it would foster hate and anger. Too much of that would result in radicals bringing out their guns chasing the illegals out of their neighborhoods. We have seen gang wars and the resulting violence, this would be worse. So, it would have to be a slow, calm, well organized plan in each county! Our intention is to bring the population of our neighborhoods into patriotic, law abiding folks not to be ravaged by foreigners who have nowhere to go. So eventually, I can see where states would have to cough up the funds and or transportation for the people to get back to Norway, Brazil, Australia, Japan and China.

If we tried to let the Feds handle it, they would fiddle fart around like they been doing and the problem would never be solved. So, the way I see this, the STATES are going to have to stand up after too many years on our knees to the self determined big shots in the Federal Legislative and the Federal Agencies. We need to show them that we'll fix the problem ourselves.

The first States to do this emigration plan will encounter the least expenses. Of course I would expect it to happen, if it ever does, in Western States.

Notice the direction of travel in this definition.


\Em`i*gra"tion\, n. [L. emigratio: cf. F. ['e]migration.] 1. The act of emigrating; removal from one country or state to another, for the purpose of residence, as from Europe to America, or, in America, from the Atlantic States to the Western.*

Lets change the worlds idea of where to emigrate from and to! We have given education and work experience to millions of illegal aliens. Now lets give them a chance to see if they can do it for themselves back home!!!

If you think this might some FR friends to see what they think of it.

Why not email friends with this idea and see if we can't get it started. Of course there will surely need to be modifications to initialize it and perhaps different ideas to promote it. Each County is slightly different and we don't want extreme radicals promoting it or else it will surely sink into oblivion.

45 posted on 11/24/2002 10:53:28 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Drill Alaska
You got that right.... with the help of our own lousy globalist government.
48 posted on 11/24/2002 11:59:35 AM PST by Tancredo Fan
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To: Tancredo Fan
Coming form an Anti-American Mexican Communist, this broad has no credibility.
49 posted on 11/24/2002 12:04:04 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Tancredo Fan
Has any one asked this broad if Mexico will open its southern border? It is closed and armed by Mexican military to people coming from central America.
50 posted on 11/24/2002 12:05:57 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: sarcasm
Are those Mexican consulates or are they drug cartel consulates?
51 posted on 11/24/2002 12:12:21 PM PST by PuNcH
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To: Tancredo Fan; madfly
My letter to the Editor of the Sierra Vista Herald:

24 November 2002

Bill Hess - Editor
Sierra Vista Herald
102 Fab Avenue
Sierra Vista AZ 85635

Mr. Hess,

I read with disgust the Sunday, November 24th Sierra Vista Herald article which included the comments of Guadalupe Castillo, co-chair of the subversive reconquista group called Coalicion de Derechos Humanos. Her slanderous comments about groups opposing the ongoing invasion of the Southwest went beyond the pale. Your unquestioning coverage of her comments only served to aid the anti-American reconquistas in spreading their propaganda messages of hate and subversion.

Castillo says "The American Border Patrol and a self-proclaimed Tombstone militia group are wackos, what is more frightening is that they are domestic terrorists." Despite all the inaccuracies about them that you and others have published, the ABP is simply a group that monitors the border, collects information through high tech equipment, compiles it in a database, and disseminates it over the Internet. The small militia group from Tombstone has even yet to form. Neither group, can by any measure of truth or reason, be considered "domestic terrorists." I believe that Castillo has openly slandered these good people and for that she should be held liable. I hope they sue.

Castillo went on to say "Extreme right-wing groups want war with Mexico as a way to stop the flow of people coming into the United States whose only crime is to seek work." The literature put out by those in the reconquista movement, of which Castillo is a leader, clearly shows a plan to establish a nation called Aztlan in what is now the southwestern states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. The movement proposes to take this area through mass invasion and possibly force. It is THEY who desire war with the United States, not the other way around. No one is talking of war with Mexico - Castillo is clearly lying. And when Castillo says that the only crime of the border intruders "is to seek work" she is clearly ignorant of the federal immigration laws being broken as well as state laws against trespassing. In fact, the first act of these people is to break our nation's laws - clearly demonstrating their undesirable nature.

Castillo continues her shrill slander when she says "They (right-wing groups) are domestic terrorists. They are a bunch of McVeighs. They are wackos." To compare with a murderer such as McVeigh the law-abiding Americans (if Castillo would even bother looking at Arizona Statutes) who are either protecting their own property, protecting property upon which they were invited and asked to protect, or simply monitoring the border with high tech equipment clearly demonstrates the lying, propagandistic nature of the shrill speeches and hysterical writings of the reconquista movement's leaders.

What was not reported are the words yesterday (23 November) of Mexico's foreign minister, Jorge Castaneda. He said that Mexico would begin a "bottom-up campaign" to gain U.S. support for a proposal to legalize 3.5 million illegal aliens in the United States. Castaneda went on to say, "We are already giving instructions to our consulates that they begin propagating militant activities -- if you will -- in their communities."

I ask you and your readers: Who are the wacko, militant, potential domestic terrorists in this current border crisis?

It is said that a picture says a thousand words. I'm including, and I hope that you can publish in some form, several pictures from a march held on October 12th in Nogales which was sponsored by the Coalicion de Derechos Humanos.

The pictures show that the Coalicion de Derechos Humanos believes that the states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas should be part of a Mexican nation of Aztlan. It is actually part of the Coalicion de Derechos Humanos logo! The pictures also show the red banners and flags (Where have we seen those before?) of this subversive movement. Some of the red banners display an Aztlan warrior - a hooded figure sheltering a dark-haired girl and brandishing a rifle. Another picture shows several masked youth with fists in the air - very reminiscient of the Palestinian terrorists in Israel. Another picture shows a banner bearing the image of a Mexican woman breaking chains around her wrists with a DEAD white woman lying on the ground behind her. One of the images shows an Anarchist symbol (a circled A) on a protestor's sign. All the pictures are disturbing.

Clearly, the reconquista movement exists, Castillo is one of its leaders, the movement is militant in nature, and it has Arizona in its crosshairs. They have openly demonstrated their goals and the dishonest means that they will use to achieve them. Slandering those who wish to expose and fight them is their Modus Operandi as they spread their hateful, divisive propaganda - as I'm sure that this letter will have me branded as a racist. Despite how I may now be unfairly demonized by these groups, I think that it is important that you and your readers be informed about Castillo's subversive group as well other similar groups as Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan (MEChA), La Voz de Aztlan, La Raza, Raza Unida Party, and others. Because of these subversive agitators and the useful idiots who have fallen under their spell there is a potential that our quiet little town could find itself on the front line of a conflict similar to the Israeli/Palestinian mess. And it won't be Glenn Spencer and his high tech sensors sending armed Aztlan warriors and suicide bombers our way.

52 posted on 11/24/2002 12:20:09 PM PST by Spiff
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To: Spiff
Another picture shows a banner bearing the image of a Mexican woman breaking chains around her wrists with a DEAD white woman lying on the ground behind her.

It looks like the white women is on an altar or something. I think their is a little sacrificial message going on there. Is there a bigger picture of that?

They are also carrying a bunch of red flags. With the anarchist symbol I suppose this means that they are a bunch of commie types as well. Nice.

54 posted on 11/24/2002 12:36:11 PM PST by PuNcH
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To: Stoner
No, because there are needy citizens for whom that program was intended.
55 posted on 11/24/2002 12:43:50 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Tancredo Fan
Yup. And since we have the Patriot act, they can be legally charged with terrorism. Isn't Bush great!!!????
56 posted on 11/24/2002 12:44:54 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Spiff
Has anyone noticed how demonic images have been so widely accepted, the images these "spanics" are using are demonic.
Even the muslims use similar images made popular in the late 80's and early 90's by our horrendous hollywood media machine. Ive seen otherwise attractive 40 and 50 year olds
sporting barbed wire tattos, young police officers wear these foul demonic tattos, Im afraid we are fighting more than a war on terrorists we also must fight those among us who have been comprimised they are easy to spot which might make it easier when the time comes just look for a funky barbed tatoo
and let them have a volley or two!
57 posted on 11/24/2002 12:45:55 PM PST by claptrap
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To: PuNcH
It looks like the white women is on an altar or something. I think their is a little sacrificial message going on there. Is there a bigger picture of that?

I think the other woman on the banner may be carrying the dead woman's heart in some sort of container - but I can't be sure. I don't have a bigger picture.

They are also carrying a bunch of red flags. With the anarchist symbol I suppose this means that they are a bunch of commie types as well. Nice.

The Communists in the Russian Revolution used the red flag. The Communists in the Chinese Revolution used the red flag. Get the picture? Glenn Spencer of American Patrol reports that at least two people have seen Isabel Garcia - the other co-chair of the reconquista group featured in this article - wearing hammer & sickle pins.

58 posted on 11/24/2002 12:47:20 PM PST by Spiff
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To: Tancredo Fan
Once a person is in the United States, that individual has the same Constitutional rights as an American citizen, she said.

What a moron. Geography has nothing to do with inherent rights. The constitution doesn't grant anyone rights. The constitution demands that the government treat everyone as though they had the same rights. This SHOULD mean that FBI and DEA agents acting in Mexico, Columbia or the US treat everyone with the same respect. Unfortunately this does not occur.

59 posted on 11/24/2002 12:49:34 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Tancredo Fan
Castillo and others spoke to nearly 100 people at an event sponsored by the Citizens for Border Solutions, a group dedicated to finding peaceful ways to end the problems along the international boundary.

There is a peaceful way STAY IN MEXICO and there wouldnt be a problem

60 posted on 11/24/2002 12:53:21 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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