U.S., Mexican legislators discuss border vigilantes - States may stop groups targeting illegals

Associated Press ^ | November 24, 2002 | Associated Press Staff

[lavaroise]

Excuse me, but it is not the job of the United States to solve crimes taking place in Mexico.

LAcking a police state here, others want to import it, full with jurisdictional and sovereign conflicts of interests. And we let them do it.

[FITZ]

Look how the Mexican government treats people along the border (they wouldn't even let them keep their wooden pallets so they could build new homes):

November 12, 2002
Squatters' Homes Torn Down in Cd. Juárez's Lote Bravo

On November 11, 2002, in the Ciudad Juárez neighborhood of Lote Bravo, more than 50 houses made of wooden pallets and cardboard were torn down by city employees using pipes and crowbars. The city workers engaged in razing the homes were from the Departamento de Regulación de Asentamientos Humanos (Department for the Regulation of Human Settlements) and were backed up by local police agents.

Reactions varied as the destruction of the homes took place. At least one man was arrested by police and other people complained about the loss of their investments.

Edel Alberto Arroyo, one of the Lote Bravo squatters, told the Cd. Juárez newspaper El Diario that residents should have been given the opportunity to save their pallets. El Diario estimated that each dwelling was worth approximately 1,000 pesos (nearly US$100) because wooden pallets sell for 15 pesos (US$1.50) each.

[Sabertooth]

If they don't enforce the laws the people support, how can they be surprised if the people take the law into their own hands?

Vigilantism is an obvious and regrettable consequence of government malfeasance. Now, predictably, some in government focus on vigilantes as the problem; not themselves and not the Illegals.

Should the government turn on the people in favor of Illegals, what do you suppose is the next logical outcome?

[nicmarlo]

New Mexico state Sen. Mary Jane Garcia said vigilante groups appeal to undereducated young men

Funny, I heard many are retired police officers and others who are educated. That means, they're also not "young men." And, if they're property owners protecting their properties and families, they are obviously working and paying taxes....productive US Citizens protecting themselves and their rights under the Consitution.....since our government has seen fit not to follow its prime directive: secure the borders.

[FITZ]

I've read that so far the "vigilante" groups are only protecting private property and are there by invite. How can the Mexican government demand that Americans NOT be allowed to remove trespassers from their own property? I can see the danger if citizen groups start trying to stop immigration in other ways ---but we have a right to protect our property.

[Sabertooth]

How can the Mexican government demand that Americans NOT be allowed to remove trespassers from their own property? I can see the danger if citizen groups start trying to stop immigration in other ways ---but we have a right to protect our property.

You're thinking like an American, not a politician.

[wcbtinman]

Right now, the politicians only have to worry about "vigilanties" on the border. If this illegal immigration keeps up, they will soon have to worry about them in every city and town in America.

[Sal]

Should the government turn on the people in favor of Illegals, what do you suppose is the next logical outcome?

Needs to be repeated.

Mr. Cannell said Arizona legislators will likely take up the issue of vigilante groups during the state's next legislative session.

OK, Legislators, what outcome are you looking to promote?

[madfly]

ping

[willyone]

There was a similiar attempt to criminaize a group at the San Diego airport who made life more difficult for alien smugglers. While the rest of us had to show ID to board a flight the airlines did not require this of illegals. Only the person holding all their tickets would be checked. It was a hard fight with the govt. lining up on the side of the illegals but the action to stop the illegals worked. Smugglers not use the airport anymore.

[c-b 1]

Mr. Cannell said Arizona legislators will likely take up the issue of vigilante groups during the state's next legislative session. The Democrat said he was "strongly opposed" to the groups.

New Mexico state Sen. Mary Jane Garcia said vigilante groups appeal to undereducated young men who feel that state and federal governments haven't done enough to protect towns along the border.

These legislators are either grossly ignorant of the Reconquista movement, or are guilty of supporting it.

Mr. Cannell is my representative, in his case he is not worried about votes, he doesn't have to be, he is well known in the area, and very popular, he will be re-elected until he is term limited. In some areas he is very uninformed, many times his opinions are emotion based, this seems to be one of those times. He is educatable in some areas, but I don't think this is one of them.

[willyone]

It will be a RICO action filed by our govt. against our citizens. The illegals will end up owning these peoples ranches. Get out of the way little people, the NWO of the Bush family is coming through. Get out of the way or you will be squashed like a bug.

[willyone]

Ruby Ridge and Waco ring a bell? They can do anything the damn well please. And they will.

[willyone]

The logical progression of this is that an illegal can walk by your home decide he likes it and wait until you leave and move in. By the govts. reasoning you will then be unable to regain possession. Next step will be to forbid door locks as being inhumane to those desiring to enter your home illegaly. I bet they are trying to figure out how to sell something like this to the sheep.

[EdReform]

BTTT

[FITZ]

OK, Legislators, what outcome are you looking to promote?

I wonder if they will actually decide Americans have no private property rights anymore, that if someone's on your property, you must allow them be stay on it?

[Sabertooth]

Seems to me that when a government ignores its citizenry and tolerates Illegal Aliens, the logical consequence is civil war.

As in Kosovo and "palestine."

[FITZ]

Or an illegal can by a few wooden pallets and build himself a little home on your property and you cannot do a thing about it. It seems the "vigilante" groups sprang up because people were tired of their chickens and livestock being killed for food and their properties strewn with diapers and other trash.

[BJungNan]

I read your post and it was quite good. I hardly hate to diminish it with a simple matter such as this, but would you kindly post your messages in black, not in blue.

If everyone were to start posting in multi color (throwing in smily faces even, arrggghh) this board will get real messed up and hard to read. You know, like those kiddie boards.

Thanks.

[BJungNan]