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If women and children don't want to be killed they shouldn't hang around with drug smugglers.
I'm afraid your blood bath scenario is just not realistic.

I'm not for American soldiers doing policing in Bosnia. I think that police work takes the edge off a soldier and can get him/her killed in subsequent duty assignments.

And when you put the Guard or the U.S. Army on police duty, eventually you get Kent State. Maybe you don't remember Kent State. Or do you think that American demonstrators should be shot down as well as women and children being smuggled across our border?

However angry you are, you can't sell that to the majority of the American public. And frankly, I'm glad that most Americans don't carry around the kind of anger that doesn't blanch at killing kids.

I think if we are going to prevail, it is going to be slowly and cautiously changing the Border Patrol administration, and slowly getting undocumenteds documented in an updated computer system with fingerprint ID's of prior arrested illegal alien detainees and felons.

And there may be a way down the road of exacting some penalties on repeat offenders, to end the revolving door.

But the libs have brainwashed an entire generation in our schools and universities and have preimminent propaganda rights to the broadcast news that goes into most brains, and the TV shows and comedians generally reinforce all this.

We have a tougher road to get the public on our side than you are willing to admit.

And why I am discussing this is because I think it is time to see beyond anger and angry "solutions" that won't work, and try to figure a course that has a chance of working even though we are way behind the eight ball at the moment.

I don't understand your hysteria over troops on the border. Psssst, that's why we have an army, to guard our borders. That is their first function and duty.

Your throwing up all these imaginary reasons as to why they can't be used, and it's silly. We were given a few weeks of seeing what happens when they are on the border right after 9-11. Nothing happens on the border, no invaders, no terrorist crossers, no drugs, and that's just the way I like it. Very frankly, I don't care how many eggs get broken to get that done. That is someone else's look out, not ours.

Ok, patriciaruth, dear heart, you have made me put my thinking cap on.

How about this? The President gives a speech telling not only Fox but all the world that Americans have been compassionate and generous for generations, foreign aid, rebuilding Europe, taking in more immigrants than any nation on earth, we have the most liberal immigration policy, visa policies. However the American people have a right to control that immigration and reject those that flaunt our laws and sovereignty for our own safety, prosperity, and well being.

But now it is time for the world to show some of the compassion that has been extended to them by Americans, to Americans. We have suffered a terrible attack, we are still at great risk, we ask the nations of the world to co-operate with our need for self defense and accept our policies in regard to that defense, be they temporary or permanent.

Then tell illegals that they have only a certain amount of time to show up to have their photos and finger prints taken for our new "guest worker" program. If they are caught after that date in country, they forfit all future ability to come into the country under any circumstances, be it guest worker or citizen. But let me tell you right up front patriciaruth, this has to have teeth, the illegal has to know that it won't be a small matter of being deported then hopping back across the border again. That takes a military presence on our border, this little Homeland Security plan of putting about a thousand new agents on each border is not going to cut it. Not at all, Americans will see the entire plan as just a ploy to placate them and this issue is not going away, it is not only a matter of national security but the survival of our Constitution, and we all know it and will not accept half measures. It would be even better to have the illegal face jail time in his own country if he is caught in this one illegally. The skids can be greased with building Mexico's infrastructure, I'm not against helping Mexico get on it's feet, but all that must be tied to civil liberties and a more democratic government, not Marxist. Those illegals that are here and gainfully employeed, and PAYING TAXES, not making their money under the table, should be given some kind of worker status that allows them to keep their families here. Farm workers get temporary status, they go home after their contract is up and their families stay in Mexico. Those not in compliance are arrested by local police and the INS picks them up and deports them. Private enterprise can take care of transportation with a government contract to do so if that is a problem. Any American, wanting the job of an illegal must be given first preference or that American can file suit against a company. This takes a well funded INS, it takes manpower and equipment at both borders. And personally I don't care who gets kicked off welfare, who doesn't get their foreign aid, or whose borders in the entire world doesn't get guarded, to pay for this program. What do you think about this plan?

Ok, patriciaruth, dear heart, you have made me put my thinking cap on.

How about this? The President gives a speech telling not only Fox but all the world that Americans have been compassionate and generous for generations, foreign aid, rebuilding Europe, taking in more immigrants than any nation on earth, we have the most liberal immigration policy, visa policies. However the American people have a right to control that immigration and reject those that flaunt our laws and sovereignty for our own safety, prosperity, and well being.

But now it is time for the world to show some of the compassion that has been extended to them by Americans, to Americans. We have suffered a terrible attack, we are still at great risk, we ask the nations of the world to co-operate with our need for self defense and accept our policies in regard to that defense, be they temporary or permanent.

Then tell illegals that they have only a certain amount of time to show up to have their photos and finger prints taken for our new "guest worker" program. If they are caught after that date in country, they forfit all future ability to come into the country under any circumstances, be it guest worker or citizen.

But let me tell you right up front patriciaruth, this has to have teeth, the illegal has to know that it won't be a small matter of being deported then hopping back across the border again. That takes a military presence on our border, this little Homeland Security plan of putting about a thousand new agents on each border is not going to cut it. Not at all, Americans will see the entire plan as just a ploy to placate them and this issue is not going away, it is not only a matter of national security but the survival of our Constitution, and we all know it and will not accept half measures. It would be even better to have the illegal face jail time in his own country if he is caught in this one illegally.

The skids can be greased with building Mexico's infrastructure, I'm not against helping Mexico get on it's feet, but all that must be tied to civil liberties and a more democratic government, not Marxist.

Those illegals that are here and gainfully employeed, and PAYING TAXES, not making their money under the table, should be given some kind of worker status that allows them to keep their families here. Farm workers get temporary status, they go home after their contract is up and their families stay in Mexico. Those not in compliance are arrested by local police and the INS picks them up and deports them. Private enterprise can take care of transportation with a government contract to do so if that is a problem.

Any American, wanting the job of an illegal must be given first preference or that American can file suit against a company.

This takes a well funded INS, it takes manpower and equipment at both borders. And personally I don't care who gets kicked off welfare, who doesn't get their foreign aid, or whose borders in the entire world doesn't get guarded, to pay for this program.

What do you think about this plan?