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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Oh for crying out loud ! The " DO WHAT THOU WILT ..." is Crowley's take on the " WICCAN REED ", which is also a take off, on Jesus's teaching : " DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE DONE UNTO YOU ." ! Twist and turn the words, as you may, you still can't make them say what YOU claim them to state !

People like me ? You're absolutely insane, blinkered, bigotted, and an utter disgrace. I am so " traditional " and hidebound, as to be sometimes precieved here as antedeluvian. LOLAnd as for being " hopeless "; yes, you bet I'm HOPELESS , when some cretin attempts to use propaganda, lies, baseless codswallop, to misinterpret FACTS.

Soooooooooooo, you think that idealized , ancient Greek sculptur is what the ancient Greeks looked like ? Maybe you also believe that the ancient Egyptian wall painting and sculpturs are what the ancient Egyptians looked like too. You'd bolster your case, far more, if you used ancient Roman paintings and busts, dear, Though somewhat idealolized and Greekified, they were much more realistic.

You want to use ancient / old art, to prove your positions ? GOODY ; let's do exactly that. If you would care to take a tour of the National Picture Gallery, in Londodn, as well as the Victoria & Albert museum, and the British Museum, you'll find that the vast majaority of paintings of the Kings and Queens of England, Scotland, and Ireland( not to mention their subjects ), are NOT blonde, redheaded, blue eyed " Nordic " types. Want older proof ? Either find a decent book about , or pop over to France and take a c-l-o-s-e look at the Bayeaux Tapestry ( 1066 and all that; LOL ) and you'll find a preponderance of brown and black haired peoples thereon.

Now, let's talk about the Etruscans. Their wall painting reveal mostly dark haired folk. The Minoan, on Crete, had lovely wall paintings and painted sculptures...ALL WITH DARK HAIR !

Since the ancient Goths didn't leave paintings behind, nor even written testiments concerning what they all looked like, I'll take Julius Caesar's words on it ( and I have read them in the original Latin, as welll as later rereading it all, again, in English 20 + years later ); even though we all know just how predujiced against them, he was. He states, that the Goths, Visigoths, and various othr Germanic tribes, used a nasty goop ( made of potash and a bunch of other yucky ingedients ) on their hair and the men also used it on their beards. Though not necessarily the intention, this pomade turned their hair to red or blonde.

For further readings, I suggest that you delve into " THE ANGLO-SAXON CHRONICLES " and " THE PLANTAGENT CHRONICLES ". Though some of the facts, therein, are NOT exactly spot on, there are some physical descriptions of the kings, princes, queens, and people of the courts. Might just change your mind about your ridiculously stated opinion about all Europeans having once been blonde.

Now, here's another little factoid, that is going to blow up that Hitlerian nonsense. I bet that you don't know this; however, the ancient ( and even well into the 19th century !) English stereotype of a Jew, is someone with red hair ; Rebecca, in " IVANHOE " to the contrary. Charles Dickens used a notorious, early 18th century, English protestant thief / fence / Theiftaker General, Jonathan Wild, as a basis, for his RED HEADED JEWISH villan, Fagan. He made him a redhead, hook nosed,miser of a Jew ( stereotyping,dear ), because even with Disraeli being Prime Minister ( and a convert ), there was still terrible anti-Semitism raging in England, at that time. There goes your red head part of " EUROPEANS ALL USED TO BE EITHER BLODE OR RED HEADS ". No, the stereotyping re red haired Jews, came from the vast majority of Jews, from the Levant , who had emmigrated to England, in the early part of the 100s. No intermarriage is to account for the hair color.

My generation ? I'm not a BOOMER; is your mother ? Blame her, then. My generation, for the most part, aren't responsible for the mess this world is in. Neither, again, for the most part, did we raise snotnosed kids, such as you are, nor hooligans.

Sooooooooooooooo , you are going to " out breed " me and my kind ? You don't even know what my kind are. BTW, good luck with being no better than a rabbit. Anyone , or so it seems, can have children; many ( and that includes the likes of you ) , just don't know the first things about being a good parent. Obviously, you didn't have any, so no wonder you don't know how to be one.

184 posted on 11/25/2002 7:49:26 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Ahhh ... so traditional and hidebound that you see nothing the matter with inter-racial marriage. Yes, that sort of traditional attitude takes us all the way back to, well, ummm ... 1967? Well you can always count Alexander the Great on your side too. Just none of his followers.

Yes your creed is "Do what thou wilt", deny it as you might. You've said there is no reason to restrict people by the tradition of remaining with their own people, but that people should marry whomever they please as though this does not create problems for society. The weight of humanity that rejects this is against you.

Greek sculpture? Go see a picture of Alexander on the Alexander Sarcophagus (the Sarcophagus of Sidon in Constantinople. Made in 310 BC, it depicts Alexander and his fellow soliders with curly red-blonde hair. Of course not everyone had red or blonde hair then, but it was much more predominant. http://www.humanities.mcmaster.ca/~classics/arch/2B03/b2304.htm http://www.humanities.mcmaster.ca/~classics/arch/2B03/b2305.htm http://www.humanities.mcmaster.ca/~classics/arch/2B03/b2306.htm http://www.humanities.mcmaster.ca/~classics/arch/2B03/b2307.htm

So the sarcophagus is "idealized"? In what way? Alexander was really Chinese or Ethiopian? Your ignorance is tiresome.

The stereotype of Jews with red hair persists to this day, at least for Jewish women. Jesus and Blessed Mary both supposedly had reddish hair, and the meaning of Adam is "ruddy", which is also the description of King Solomon/Jesus in the Song of Songs.

I hadn't even brought this up, but apparently you are among the folks who raised the boomers then? What a lovely mess you made of the world when your generation ran it, from 1960 onwards. Can't blame the Boomers for messing it up - you folks did that for them. The first generation to cave to their own snot-nosed kids! What a profile in courage! Your generation has so many things to be proud of! The birth control pill, race riots, homosexuals out of the closet and into the school, ecumenism, abortion on demand, child abuse prosecutions and outlawing spanking, radical feminism, the destruction of our once lovely cities, idiocy in education, etc.

Let me get back to my potash. My strawberry blonde hair is turning black again, and I need to rub more azure dye on my eyes to keep them blue. Plus my right arm is feeling weak, so I'd better go do some salutes. No, on second thought, let me go and use it wake my children up and remind them I am a hateful tyrant who needs to beat them.

185 posted on 11/25/2002 8:59:26 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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