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Great Gray Lady in spat with saloon hussy (New York Times vs. Fox News) Ann Coulter
worldnetdaily ^ | 11/20/2002 | Ann Coulter

Posted on 11/20/2002 3:51:15 PM PST by TLBSHOW

Great Gray Lady in spat with saloon hussy

by Ann Coulter

Before we begin, how happy is Dick Gephardt that he never has to take another four-hour phone call from Barbra Streisand?

I did not realize how devastating the midterm elections were to liberals until seeing the Great Gray Lady reduced to starting a catfight with Fox News Channel. It has come to this. The New York Times was in high dudgeon this week upon discovering that Fox News chairman Roger Ailes sent a letter to the Bush White House nine days after Sept. 11. As the corpses of thousands of his fellow Americans lay in smoldering heaps, Ailes evidently recommended getting rough with the terrorists.

One imagines Karl Rove running down the hallway to the president's office waving Ailes' letter and shouting "Mr. President! Mr. President! I have the memo! We've got to fight back!"

I assume it's superfluous to mention that there is nothing illegal about Ailes giving advice to the president – though admittedly, I have not consulted the "living Constitution" in the past 24 hours to see if a new penumbra specifically about Fox News has sprouted. But the Times was a monument of self-righteous indignation because hard news men are supposed to stay neutral between America and terrorism.

Of course, the Times hasn't been reticent in giving the president advice on the war. (Surrender now!)

Nor was there much neutrality shown between George Bush and the Nobel Peace Prize Committee. After the Norwegians – who gave us the term "quisling" – awarded former President Jimmy Carter the Peace Prize citing his vocal opposition to President Bush's war policies, the press sprang to action. The whole chorus began calling this comically inept president one of America's "greatest." Good Morning America's Charles Gibson said Carter had "become, in the opinion of many, the greatest ex-president of modern times."

MSNBC's Brian Williams – who worked for Carter – asked a history professor if it was fair to call Carter "the best former president in, at minimum, modern American history, and perhaps, well, I guess, the last 200 years?" (Absolutely, historian Marshall Frady replied.) On the "Today" show, Katie Couric said: "I mean, it's so wonderful ... and so well-deserved."

Other great moments in journalistic neutrality include NPR's Nina Totenberg leaking information about Anita Hill that she got from Sen. Howard Metzenbaum's staff, and the Washington Post's Ben Bradlee yukking it up on the phone with President Kennedy and later cheering when President Nixon resigned.

So it's interesting that the Times viewed Ailes' letter as an affront to objective journalism.

But this was more than the media's usual insane point that they – the least impartial industry in America – must maintain absolute neutrality between George Bush and the terrorists. The Times went further to imply that by supporting his own country in the war on terrorism, Ailes had unmistakably marked himself as a "partisan conservative."

If Ailes had written a letter recommending a tax hike, blathering on and on about Ailes' conservative bias wouldn't have made sense. Instead, he had recommended the harshest measures possible against the terrorists. As far as the Times was concerned, this was the smoking gun of partisanship. The paper railed that Ailes purports to be an "unbiased journalist, not a conservative spokesman." Fox News is "the self-proclaimed fair and balanced news channel." But now the Times had caught him red-handed, pursuing "an undisguised ideological agenda." Ailes is secretly rooting for America!

At least we finally have it from the horse's own mouth. The Times openly admits that the "conservative" position is to take America's side against the terrorists. Why do they get so snippy when I say that?

This welcome admission went unremarked upon only because it is simply taken for granted that liberals root against their own country. As the Times said of Ailes' letter, it "was less shocking than it was liberating – a little like the moment in 1985 when an ailing Rock Hudson finally explained that he had AIDS." We always knew you were traitors, and now you've admitted it.

The Times was a whirligig of pointless insinuations – "secretly gave advice to," "back-channel message" "shocking," "confirmed yesterday" and "revelations." (Eager Times readers will have to wait another day for the revelation of "Pinch" Sulzberger's SAT scores.) Belittling Fox News is so pleasurable for the Times that it didn't occur to them that they had given up the ghost on their faux patriotism.

Fox News should agree to admit it is conservative as soon as all other media admit they are liberal. Fox is manifestly closer to the center than the others. On the Times' definition of "conservative" (harsh with the terrorists) and "liberal" (soft on the terrorists), the public is with Fox News. We took a pretty conclusive poll on that a couple of weeks ago. The people, in their infinite wisdom, have spoken.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
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To: laurav
It is you who has been lazy in following her argument.

She has simply given other examples of news outlets being less than strictly objective in their coverage of politicians with nary a peep from the Grey Hag.
41 posted on 11/20/2002 6:18:02 PM PST by bumba_rasclot
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To: laurav
I think you missed the point.
42 posted on 11/20/2002 6:19:21 PM PST by Tempest
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To: roob
I think her intent was to point out that the liberal biased media is far from objective and neutral therefore the Times has a lot of nerve complaining and whining about Ailes voicing his opinion to Bush.

Well, it isn't the NYTimes' "voice." It's a bylined opinion piece. So it's this writer's opinion, not the Times complaining.

43 posted on 11/20/2002 6:24:22 PM PST by laurav
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To: laurav
It is the Grey Hag who is show casing the writer's opinion.

Stop being obtuse and petulant or are you a liberal, in which case such behavior is quite normal.
44 posted on 11/20/2002 6:45:12 PM PST by bumba_rasclot
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To: TLBSHOW
Thanks for the post TLBSHOW... I know I can count on you every Wednesday at 5 PM Pacific time to post Ann's latest.

Didn't see the original NYTimes article 'cause I gave up reading that rag ages ago but caught some of Begala (ugh!) on Imus this morning (any reference to Begala must be followed by 'ugh!') railing aginst Fox and Ailes for this affront to journalistic objectivity! The horror! Wonder where Begala plans on going once he gets booted from CNN / Crossfire?


What's the matter with a journalist taking the US side in the war???? The media just does not get it do they? Instead they are busy subjecting the country to the Al and Tipper US Tour 2002! I've given up on TV but still can't escape that onslaught.




46 posted on 11/20/2002 7:19:34 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Pokey78
Pokey -

Please add me to the Ann Coulter ping list too (already on the Steyn list). Thanks.
47 posted on 11/20/2002 7:21:17 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: TLBSHOW
For ANYONE still paying for the New York Times - give up your subscription and put the money here!

I learned along time ago where my valuable news comes from - Free Republic. GIVE MONTHLY! It keeps the information river alive!
48 posted on 11/20/2002 7:22:43 PM PST by txzman
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To: laurav
Ann was pointing out that Ailes wasn't reporting news, he was sending a personal letter to the President. He wasn't expressing partisanship, but patriotism. The Times staffer with a byline slams Ailes and dams Fox but ignores egregious cases by others and itself. It's not a matter of guilt by association. It's a matter of Times' hypocrisy and stoopidity.

The Times is still hiding Pinch Sulzberger's SAT scores.
49 posted on 11/20/2002 8:40:36 PM PST by hrhdave
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To: bumba_rasclot
Stop being obtuse and petulant or are you a liberal, in which case such behavior is quite normal.

Mmm... name-calling. A very intelligent way to argue a point.

The NY Times showcased the piece, sure. Ann Coultur used to write for USA Today (before they dropped her column because of multiple factual errors). Does that mean USA Today agreed with her positions, just because the newspaper chose to print what she wrote?

50 posted on 11/20/2002 8:47:00 PM PST by laurav
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To: Rummyfan
Done.
51 posted on 11/20/2002 8:57:29 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: roob
I think Ann is lumping all liberal media outlets together. Guilt by association maybe.

If so, this is a rather weak strategy. There is definitely a point to be made about media bias, but simply lumping all of these outfits together, from NBC to the Washington Post doesn't do it. Most of the people who work for these news agencies neither know nor like each other. They may have a similar worldview, and that's worth pointing out. But "guilt by association" seems a rather strange strategy for a conservative lawyer interested in individual rights to support.

This string of quotes concept is vintage Coultur. Ann relies on a technique known as "reporting by Lexis-Nexis." She looks up quotes in her database of news articles and then throws in a few zingers. She's good at the zingers and that makes it entertaining. But she's wasting her talent by not getting out and reporting her own stories. Instead, she just complains about liberals.

A very good writer once said that if you're writing an opinion piece, unless you call and interview someone who disagrees with you, you probably won't write a good one.

52 posted on 11/20/2002 8:57:49 PM PST by laurav
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To: laurav
Is this what you are looking for? Happy now?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/792905/posts

NYT ed: The Fox News Presidential Adviser
The New York Times ^ | 11/21/2002 | editorial board

Posted on 11/20/2002 9:12 PM PST by Pokey78

Politicos who morph into journalists do themselves and their new profession no favor if they fail to shed their partisan habits. Roger Ailes, the vinegary chairman of Fox News, shows no sign of understanding that. Not long after Sept. 11, we learn from Bob Woodward's new book, "Bush at War," Mr. Ailes advised President Bush how to cope with the aftermath of the terrorist attacks. That would be fine, were Mr. Ailes still in the business of advising political candidates, but as a top executive of a news organization he should know better than to offer private counsel to Mr. Bush.

Mr. Ailes's action seems especially hypocritical for someone who has spent years trumpeting the fairness of Fox and the partisanship of just about everybody else in the news business. Fox's promotional slogan is: "We report. You decide." But the news channel has a Republican tilt and a conservative agenda.

Mr. Ailes, a former Republican strategist who helped the president's father win the White House in 1988, has argued that his missive contained not political counseling but personal advice about presidential policies. The difference hardly matters in the world of journalism.

53 posted on 11/20/2002 9:22:53 PM PST by Drango
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To: Drango
sure- if she'd gone after this one, she'd be on much firmer ground. I agree the NY Times is being ridiculous. I also think Ann can do better.
54 posted on 11/20/2002 9:25:52 PM PST by laurav
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To: Doc Savage

Uhhh Huhhhh I is in luv!
55 posted on 11/20/2002 9:29:38 PM PST by 45semi
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To: laurav
You said it was bylined. According to the posting above, it's an unsigned editorial.
56 posted on 11/20/2002 9:34:09 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: laurav
sure- if she'd gone after this one, she'd be on much firmer ground.

What? Now you're upset she's Miss Cleo?

57 posted on 11/20/2002 9:41:32 PM PST by Drango
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To: Tempest
I'd be worried if the Dems had such an intelligent and attractive lady on their side.

Hmmm... we have Ann Coulter.
They have Helen Thomas.

Yeah. We win.

58 posted on 11/20/2002 9:50:02 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: LibWhacker
Or my favorite, when Nina Burleigh wrote in the Washington Post that she was busting at the seams to give Bill Clinton a blow job.

Yeah, I remember when that pig said that!
It would be her way of thanking Clinton for protecting a woman's right to kill her baby after the baby was all born except for the top of its head. Wonder whatever became of that pig, Nina Burleigh?

59 posted on 11/20/2002 9:54:09 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: laurav
Why do you keep spelling Ann's name "Coultur"?
It's like you are totally unfamiliar with her work or something. In which case, your commenting on her writing would be... idiotic.
60 posted on 11/20/2002 10:00:58 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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