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Why are Retailers Embarrassed About Christmas?
11.20.02 | mlmr

Posted on 11/19/2002 6:17:05 PM PST by mlmr

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To: carton253
If we had a Hills Department Store here, they would OWN my business.
201 posted on 11/20/2002 6:45:56 AM PST by Skooz
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To: Lunatic Fringe
[Try a Christian book or supply store, and dont shop at stores that fail to sell religious items. You are not going to bully them into doing what you want... let the Almight Dollar speak for you.]

That is a good idea.

[Sadly, Christmas has become Americanized.]

I think Christmas has been too commercialized - but I hope the lack of Christianity isn't really Americanization - if so America is lost.

202 posted on 11/20/2002 6:50:29 AM PST by nanny
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To: mlmr
Moved here last year(hubby is from here) and we love it!!
203 posted on 11/20/2002 6:54:25 AM PST by glory
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To: dsutah
The only thing is, is many old Christmas-time carols and hymns use the word 'holidays'. There's that song: "There Is No Place Like Home For The Holidays". Also, a lot of old carols, and Christmas-time songs like: "Jingle Bells", "Winter Wonderland", "Silent Night", "Here We Come A Caroling", "Happy Holidays", "Santa Claus Is Coming To Town", etc. You do like to listen to those do you?

I sure do. Always have. I love "The Christmas Song," and "Winter Wonderland" and just about every other Christmas song. But I enjoy the "Jingle Bells", "Winter Wonderland" etc, songs ALONGSIDE and not IN PLACE OF, the more obvious Christmas songs concerning Christ's birth.

I remember as a kid, my family used to shop at a local Sears which piped in Christmas music. They played "Happy Holidays", "Santa Claus Is Coming To Town", etc. but they also played "Oh, Come All Ye Faithful," and "Hark the Herald Angels Sing." To my knowledge, no one threw a PC coniption fit and stormed out of Sears because the muzak said the word "Christmas."

204 posted on 11/20/2002 7:00:19 AM PST by Skooz
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To: Tall_Texan
"...I do Christmas, which has become a two-month commercialized orgy,..."

I try and ignore it all. I don't get into the Christmas spirit until after Dec. 1. and don't leave it until after Jan. 6.

Christmas has always been my favorite holiday and holy day. However, hearing Jingle Bells over and over and over can drive me to distraction.

205 posted on 11/20/2002 7:01:57 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: Samwise
And our kids even sing Christmas carols in public schools.

Same here.

Oh, I better give an example before someone snidely asks if I mean Jingle Bells. "Silent Night" and "Away in a Manger" are two that spring to mind without stopping to rack my memory for more.

206 posted on 11/20/2002 7:02:46 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: goodnesswins
Same here...
207 posted on 11/20/2002 7:03:21 AM PST by glory
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To: bonfire
Same here...brought back memories in fact since they have one that is so similar to the one I grew up with in my family home(yes, I bought it since I've been looking for one like it for a while).
208 posted on 11/20/2002 7:10:25 AM PST by glory
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To: who knows what evil?
So is a lot of the junk in the stores being discussed here. The debate about where and how they are made and how that resolves itself with Christ's message is another debate entirely. THis was a debate about whether or not retail stores, even those who have their wares assembled in China, have REAL Christmas merchandise on hand, not where they were assembled and made.
209 posted on 11/20/2002 7:13:41 AM PST by glory
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To: glory
..........and the fact that the word "Christmas" is being systematically expunged from our language.
210 posted on 11/20/2002 7:15:34 AM PST by Skooz
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To: Stefan Stackhouse
Those of us who are real Christians...

Time to get over your sense of superiority I'm afraid. Phrasings such as this sound--snotty.

211 posted on 11/20/2002 7:17:53 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Stefan Stackhouse
And I'll add another comment to your post and your statement that "The commercial/popular Yuletide has pretty much ignored the traditional Adventide traditions: Advent calendars and Advent wreaths."

Again, I don't know where some of you live, but I see Advent calendars and wreaths at many places.

Perhaps this isn't the problem some are alleging??

212 posted on 11/20/2002 7:20:31 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Stefan Stackhouse
I'm not sure how to take that? Do you think that is wrong? Why? I'm assuming Saint Nicholas, by virtue of the fact that he is a saint, was a religious Catholic, so would he not also be in adoration of our Lord and Savior like anyone of us. If anything, I think that sends an important message about what was a priority to the real "Santa Claus" and it wasn't making a list and checking it twice. In fact, I have an ornament showing the Santa Claus the secular world knows kneeling before the Lord's manger.


Here is a nice little story about "Santa"
http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/lds/christmas/stnich.html
213 posted on 11/20/2002 7:22:28 AM PST by glory
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To: dsutah
I agree, I've always hated that too how Christmas is just over. We celebrate into January as well so it seems odd to us. Fortunately, in this area, you can at least count on still seeing trees in windows and lights on until after new years eve, at least.
214 posted on 11/20/2002 7:29:55 AM PST by glory
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Now reading this and other comments, I'm thinking I don't make sense if you don't know me personally--LOL. I have lived in two places in the last year so I kind of go back and forth between the experiences when posting on this topic. I lived in central AZ last year, for many years, and I had trouble finding Christmas items that were religious in major retailers, this year I am in central Ohio and have not had that problem--so far. Like I said, I have some shopping to do today in other stores besides Walmart or Hallmark so I am going to keep my eye open and report what I see, but generally this area seems to be much more religious Christmas friendly. The Walmart had much more than the one in AZ ever did.
HOpe that clarifies a bitwhy I seem to flip flop between being able to find things and not...
215 posted on 11/20/2002 7:36:50 AM PST by glory
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To: mlmr
Thank you for sharing your traditions:-) What a joyous Christmas indeed.
216 posted on 11/20/2002 7:38:29 AM PST by glory
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Been good talking with you all, but now I'm off to do that shopping I mentioned. Take care!
217 posted on 11/20/2002 7:40:51 AM PST by glory
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To: Stefan Stackhouse
Here is a link (I hope it works!) to an Advent calendar for sale that even features the Holy Family:

http://collectionsetc.com/shopProductDetails.asp?txtItemID=2127&cmbCategoryID=-1
218 posted on 11/20/2002 7:43:35 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
Sorry, I didn't mean to type "calendar" but "candle set".
219 posted on 11/20/2002 7:45:38 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Good advice, Lunatic. However I would amend the 'Americanized' to liberalized.
220 posted on 11/20/2002 7:47:30 AM PST by MoGalahad
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