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To: xsysmgr
This is easily one of the best articles I have ever seen about the abortion debate.

I have yet to find a feminist who can explain to me how women's rights have been advanced by a enabling a man to sweet-talk a woman into sex and then just walk away and say "have an abortion." Men would take sex, and therefore women, a lot more seriously if they had to think about more than how to pay for the abortion. Easy abortion makes women into sex objects for men. It's the greatest thing that ever happened to men!

3 posted on 11/19/2002 8:25:19 AM PST by Dems_R_Losers
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To: Dems_R_Losers
I would go even farther than that: the pro-life position is consistent with the demand that men take responsiblity for becoming fathers, while the pro-choice position absolves men from all responsibility.

Look at this way: The pro-life ethic holds that the child's life begins at the moment of conception, therefore the man has the same responsibility towards the mother and his child while the woman is pregnant as he would after the baby is delivered.

The pro-choice position holds that the moment of conception is irrelevant on the position of parenthood. There is no child until birth. The key moment in determining whether or not there is a child is the moment in which the mother, solely on her own, decides to allow that child to live. But, since that is a unilateral choice on her part, the child could be said to have only one parent. From the man's point of view, why should he be responsible for the decision made by the woman, one in which he has no part?

With rights come responsibilities and where there are no rights, there should be no responsibility. If the man has no rights in determining whether or not he is to be a father (under the pro-choice ethic) he should also have no responsibility in the choice that is made by another.

8 posted on 11/19/2002 12:09:13 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: Dems_R_Losers
"This is easily one of the best articles I have ever seen about the abortion debate."

I agree, and I am pro-life. But instead of vilifying those who are "on the other side" of this issue, (this is a general comment, not directed at your post) how about if we did some positive campaigning and polling to show those who are Democrats that the tide of public opinion really does support pro-life, at least to some extent? Keep sending them the polls showing how unpopular PBA is, and sharing more articles on how successful surgery on unborn babies can be. Like President Bush, relentless positive affirmations might carry the day rather than demeaning people as "baby-killers". (OTOH, I have been known to use inflammatory rhetoric myself when I am up in a dander, so I have to heed my advice myself.) What do you think?
9 posted on 11/19/2002 1:00:11 PM PST by alwaysconservative
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To: Dems_R_Losers
"This is easily one of the best articles I have ever seen about the abortion debate."

I agree, and I am pro-life. But instead of vilifying those who are "on the other side" of this issue, (this is a general comment, not directed at your post) how about if we did some positive campaigning and polling to show those who are Democrats that the tide of public opinion really does support pro-life, at least to some extent? Keep sending them the polls showing how unpopular PBA is, and sharing more articles on how successful surgery on unborn babies can be. Like President Bush, relentless positive affirmations might carry the day rather than demeaning people as "baby-killers". (OTOH, I have been known to use inflammatory rhetoric myself when I am up in a dander, so I have to heed my advice myself.) What do you think?
10 posted on 11/19/2002 1:13:04 PM PST by alwaysconservative
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